[Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
If I understood well, Americans don't have such bad feelings toward the word bureaucracy and its derivatives. In Europe it is different. When I tell to Gerard that he is better bureaucrat than me, he feels offended; although I thought about specific virtues, not defects; and although I've defined

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven: Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k logo for new Wikipedia edition (in Banjar) [1]. I wanted to find the right copyright tag (logo is trademark of

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Michael Snow
While I support the idea that we should have a discussion about how to manage and structure our bureaucratic elements, I think the distinction posited between American and European perspectives is imaginary. As an example, personally I have so far declined to accept bureaucrat status largely

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:  An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven: Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k logo for new Wikipedia edition (in Banjar)

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:31, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:  While I support the idea that we should have a discussion about how to manage and structure our bureaucratic elements, I think the distinction posited between American and European perspectives is imaginary. As an

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 25.09.2010 18:32, hett Milos Rancic schreven: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buckm...@marcusbuck.org wrote: An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven: Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the right button and the screen is small. I wanted to

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Jim Redmond
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for making it clear :) It seemed to me that there is less antagonism toward bureaucracy among Americans. Clearly, you have not had to sit through any of our political rhetoric, which saves a special sort of venom for

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 19:47, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote: On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for making it clear :) It seemed to me that there is less antagonism toward bureaucracy among Americans. Clearly, you have not had to sit through

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Fred Bauder
If I understood well, Americans don't have such bad feelings toward the word bureaucracy and its derivatives. Wrong, the study of bureaucracy is considered by Americans to be a branch of entomology, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_studies Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that's

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:49, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: Okay. Could you elaborate on that? What do you think should be changed? Which requirements are not well defined? So far I don't understand where exactly you see the influence of bad bureaucracy playing a role here. Around

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 9/25/2010 12:10:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time, fredb...@fairpoint.net writes: Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that's why Wikipedia is considered impossible by experts. == Hmm broad brush. I would say collaboration is considered hopeless to those who think

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Fred Bauder
I would however suggest that a good psychological profile question might be, Have you ever worked on a government contract before? W Early on, I was in the Navy. Ignore all rules is enshrined in There is the right way, the wrong way, and the Navy way which tells you to get it done, rules

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Please leave the experts alone, in their expert opinion Wikipedia is impossible. In my observation Wikipedia does really well in attracting people to read what we provide. So much so that Wikipedia is one of the biggest websites in the world. Obviously that is not how the reality of our

Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example

2010-09-25 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 25 September 2010 17:53:05 Milos Rancic написа: So, I wanted to do that as I treat that as my responsibility. I filled the form once again and I had to spend next ~15 minutes while trying to upload the 20k logo: license is not correct, author is not correct, this is not correct,