On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 18:17, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
On 04/10/2010 19:43, geni wrote:
The Wikipedia that went from nothing to top ten site was never built
on verifiable knowledge. It was built on what people happened to have
in their heads. The whole citation thing outside the
On 10/05/2010 08:28 AM, SlimVirgin wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 18:17,wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
Have you looked at the current version of that page? Every sentence has
at least one ref, it looks like a spider has fallen into an ink well and
then run backwards and forwards across the
Peter Gehres, 05/10/2010 06:07:
I uploaded my version of the cloud [1] to the same location. I removed
all duplicate emails from the archives and omitted all subjects and
quoted
text.
Thank you! It's indeed much more readable. :-) I moved it to
It's very distracting, and completely unnecessary.
There are ways of
bundling citations into one footnote at the end of
each paragraph,
while still making clear which citation supports which
words. But it's
It doesn't distract me at all,
Me neither. As a reader, I find it
On 5 October 2010 12:01, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote:
It's very distracting, and completely unnecessary.
There are ways of
bundling citations into one footnote at the end of
each paragraph,
while still making clear which citation supports which
words. But it's
It doesn't
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 02:04, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote:
On 10/05/2010 08:28 AM, SlimVirgin wrote:
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 18:17,wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
Have you looked at the current version of that page? Every sentence has
at least one ref, it looks like a spider
Have a look at http://www.marcusbuck.org/ro/. It's a quick demo of
ro.wp content converted to Cyrillic. It's just a tiny extract of about
50 ro.wp articles (I wanted to import the full dump, but I have a
limited bandwidth connection and the dump upload failed at 90% of the
1GB file). The
As an editor, it makes it very difficult to edit, when you
have three
words then a {{cite}} template.
You're right there. It's a bloody headache finding the words of the article in
amongst all the citation templates when you're trying to edit.
A.
In a message dated 10/5/2010 6:01:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jayen...@yahoo.com writes:
You're right there. It's a bloody headache finding the words of the
article in amongst all the citation templates when you're trying to edit.
That however really isn't a fault that can be laid at
On 5 October 2010 13:39, wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/5/2010 6:01:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jayen...@yahoo.com writes:
You're right there. It's a bloody headache finding the words of the
article in amongst all the citation templates when you're trying to edit.
Thank you! It's indeed much more readable. :-) I moved it to
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Foundation-l_word_cloud_without_headers_and_quotes.png
because it's completely different (resolution, author, description etc.).
What about adding your script to the description so that others
Greetings All,
As Roan kindly noted, the times for my office hours session were wrong
for Canberra.
In Canberra time, the first session will happen at 03:00 and the
second session will happen at 15:00.
To see the full (and corrected) chart of times, please see:
On 05/10/2010 15:23, Liam Wyatt wrote:
On 5 October 2010 13:39,wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 10/5/2010 6:01:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
jayen...@yahoo.com writes:
You're right there. It's a bloody headache finding the words of the
article in amongst all the citation
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On 05/10/2010 19:48, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
What is the main point of wikipedia to edit it, or to read it?
Could it be both or do we get to choose only one?
NOTE: when reading an article or a book one rarely looks at the
references.
Marcus, thank you for the test. I don't think anybody doubts or
doubted that this is possible - of course a few more rules need to be
added, for example ea is almost always converted to cyrillic Ya, with
special exceptions, and several other minor mistakes, but that isn't
anything to do with the
Hoi,
Who is our audience ? I am sure that a certain training is needed to feel
comfortable with references and sources. When you are comfortable with it,
you probably use a particular terminology and consider illustrations
distractions...
Remember Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia. It is not a
Greetings everyone,
Just a reminder that Zack Exley, Chief Community Officer at the
Wikimedia Foundation, will be holding IRC office hours today (October 5)
at 21:00 UTC (14:00 PT, 17:00 ET, 23:00 CEST) in #wikimedia-office on
irc.freenode.net.
Instructions for accessing the discussion for
An'n 05.10.2010 21:03, hett M. Williamson schreven:
Marcus, thank you for the test. I don't think anybody doubts or
doubted that this is possible - of course a few more rules need to be
added, for example ea is almost always converted to cyrillic Ya, with
special exceptions, and several
2010/10/5 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
Technically it is easier to transliterate from Cyrillic. So when
transliteration works in a round robin fashion, it does not really matter in
what script people edit. It will only be stored in one script. The choice
for a script can be
Marcus, have you conducted a poll of those people? Please don't make
pronouncements of that sort without any research. We are not here to
decide what people should or should not do, we are here to reflect
things as they are on the ground, what is used by people currently,
what is their native
An'n 05.10.2010 22:24, hett M. Williamson schreven:
2010/10/5 Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com:
Hoi,
Technically it is easier to transliterate from Cyrillic. So when
transliteration works in a round robin fashion, it does not really matter in
what script people edit. It will only be
Hoi,
Your approach is the wrong one. Our aim is to bring information to all
people of this world. When people leave for political reasons, they are
welcome to leave. Their point of view is clearly not the Neutral Point Of
View that is also expected of them in their contributions.
Thanks,
NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and
language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some
very touchy real-world issues.
The naming of mo.wikipedia and its use of Cyrillic were particularly
unfortunate, as the Moldovan standard alphabet is Roman, the
Hoi,
We will never have a Romanian or a Moldovan Wikipedia. What we have is a
Romanian language Wikipedia.
Thanks,
GerardM
On 6 October 2010 04:11, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote:
NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and
language are necessarily
I just went through the long closure proposal, and I have a question: Do we
know of any active current supporters of mo.wp? The proposal for closure
seemed to show one active contributor (who created the bulk of the
articles). If a proposal to create a similar wp would go to langcom right
now,
Yes, I am not proposing that we have to have a new Moldovan-Romanian
language Wiki (we don't have a United States-english Wiki, a
Canadian-english Wiki, a Great Britain-english Wiki, an
Australian-english Wiki, etc...). (oh, ouch, there's a contingent from
New Zealand chasing me now!)
I am
Hoi,
If a request for a Romanian language and a Moldovan language Wikipedia would
be made, the Moldovan Wikipedia would be denied because it is no longer
considered a language. The Romanian Wikipedia would be eligible when support
is provided / allowed for the Cyrillic script.
I do not involve
An'n 05.10.2010 22:56, hett Gerard Meijssen schreven:
Hoi,
Your approach is the wrong one. Our aim is to bring information to all
people of this world. When people leave for political reasons, they are
welcome to leave. Their point of view is clearly not the Neutral Point Of
View that is
The Romanian Wikipedia would be eligible when support
is provided / allowed for the Cyrillic script.
I do not involve myself in the closures of projects. Typically they are not
closed and often people have agendas asking for closures.
So a Romanian language would not be eligible unless it
Hoi,
The only thing expected is that they allow for a round robin
transliteration. The default will be the Latin script, there will only be an
option associated with the Romanian language that allows for the text to be
shown in Cyrillic.
The language policy allows for one project per project. It
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote:
So a Romanian language would not be eligible unless it allowed support
for Cyrillic, even if there is no community that is interested in writing in
it?
My point is simply that there seems to be a lot of discussion,
On 5 Oct 2010, at 18:48, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
What is the main point of wikipedia to edit it, or to read it? Because
the readability of something like the Bulger article is very low. Making
it easier to edit with peppered refs will probably mean that more refs
get added
An'n 06.10.2010 00:00, hett Muhammad Yahia schreven:
The Romanian Wikipedia would be eligible when support
is provided / allowed for the Cyrillic script.
I do not involve myself in the closures of projects. Typically they are not
closed and often people have agendas asking for closures.
An'n 06.10.2010 00:13, hett Gerard Meijssen schreven:
Hoi,
The only thing expected is that they allow for a round robin
transliteration. The default will be the Latin script, there will only be an
option associated with the Romanian language that allows for the text to be
shown in Cyrillic.
An'n 06.10.2010 00:16, hett Nathan schreven:
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Muhammad Yahiashipmas...@gmail.com wrote:
So a Romanian language would not be eligible unless it allowed support
for Cyrillic, even if there is no community that is interested in writing in
it?
My point is
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 6:34 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Nathan
Mark's self-assessment is mo-2 and he was one of the main contributors
before the wiki got closed down:
http://mo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilizator:Node_ue.
Marcus Buck
User:Slomox
My mistake. I knew he was a
Marcus Buck wrote:
Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_schools_in_Transnistria.
They want to switch to Latin since long but the government does
everything to stop them.
Marcus, that is a tiny minority of Moldovans in Transnistria, and that
article has many POV problems as well (I gave
Nathan, perhaps there is a communication error here. GerardM and I are
arguing for the same thing, which is a transliteration engine, but
ONLY so long as it allows people to read AND contribute, rather than
just being read-only as proposed by Marcus. My other contention is
that if this is not
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Nathan, perhaps there is a communication error here. GerardM and I are
arguing for the same thing, which is a transliteration engine, but
ONLY so long as it allows people to read AND contribute, rather than
just being
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:26 PM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
Nathan, perhaps there is a communication error here. GerardM and I are
arguing for the same thing, which is a transliteration engine, but
ONLY so long as
I don't think it's right to delete content just because someone
doesn't like it without creating any sort of alternative. In addition,
I don't see how ro.wp community support would be needed if a separate
subdomain were used to set up such a gateway - it would really be
little more than a mirror
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 7:56 PM, M. Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think it's right to delete content just because someone
doesn't like it without creating any sort of alternative. In addition,
I don't see how ro.wp community support would be needed if a separate
subdomain were
In that case, I think you and I have misunderstood each other. I don't
think a transliteration engine should be a precondition to mo.wp being
*moved*, just to it being *deleted*. I don't have any problem or
disagreement with it being moved immediately.
-m.
2010/10/5 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:
On
Hi everyone,
I wanted to take a moment to bring you up to date on the planning of
the 2010-2011 fundraiser, and ask once again for your participation in
the process. Our updated meta pages
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2010
) will give you an overview as well. There's a
in re many emails like Fwd: [Wikiquote-l] Help Beat Jimmy! (The
appeal, that is)
cross-posted emails, include the notices about IRC office hours, end
up coming to me with
Subject: [Wikiquote-l] ...
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Reply-To: Mailing list for the Wikiquote projects
wikiquot...@lists.wikimedia.org
I'm
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
cross-posted emails
[..]
Subject: [Wikiquote-l] ...
It changes for me with like every e-mail, Philippe's most recent
e-mail got Wikiversity-l for me. :-)
I'm guessing this is controlled by the mailing list software.
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 1:13 PM, Casey Brown li...@caseybrown.org wrote:
On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 10:08 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
cross-posted emails
[..]
Subject: [Wikiquote-l] ...
It changes for me with like every e-mail, Philippe's most recent
e-mail got Wikiversity-l
I'd like to welcome a new list moderator, AlexandrDmitri, to join myself and
Austin Hair. Alexandr is an administrator on the English Wikipedia and
English Wikinews, and serves as an arbitration clerk on the English
Wikipedia. Please welcome him to the list.
Thanks,
Ryan Lomonaco (Ral315)
Casey Brown, 06/10/2010 04:13:
It changes for me with like every e-mail, Philippe's most recent
e-mail got Wikiversity-l for me. :-)
It's always Wikiquote-l for me.
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