Re: [Foundation-l] Help Beat Jimmy! (The appeal, that is....)

2010-10-08 Thread Gregory Kohs
Liam says: + Somehow, I doubt if making *you* very pleased is a concern that motivates many people, especially on this list. + Be that as it may, Liam, was there any aspect -- any aspect whatsoever -- of my request that would not be happily addressed by any transparent and open

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Peter Damian
I don't know why such fuss has been made in the media about this. Under Chinese law, Xiaobo is a criminal who has been sentenced by Chinese judicial departments for violating Chinese law http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/461876 His own community has delivered a verdict upon him: he is a

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Phil Nash
Peter Damian wrote: I don't know why such fuss has been made in the media about this. Under Chinese law, Xiaobo is a criminal who has been sentenced by Chinese judicial departments for violating Chinese law http://blog.foreignpolicy.com/node/461876 His own community has delivered a verdict

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread M. Williamson
Peter, I've never heard of Wikipedia sentencing anybody to prison. I can't support such a comparison between blocking and real-life prison. Have you ever been jailed yourself? It is not fun. I would much rather be blocked from all Wikimedia projects forever than spend a week in prison, especially

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Austin Hair
Peter has been placed on moderation as a preventive measure. If future posts are still civil, irrespective of sanity considerations, we'll let them through. Austin On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 11:49 PM, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com wrote: I don't know why such fuss has been made in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Peter Damian wrote: I don't know why such fuss has been made in the media about this. Under Chinese law, Xiaobo is a criminal who has been sentenced by Chinese judicial departments for violating Chinese law

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 October 2010 23:45, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: You understood, I'm sure, that he was making an exaggerated comparison between the Chinese government's approach to public debate and Wikipedia's governance? He clearly believes that Liu Xiaobo has been mistreated (which he has been),

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Phil Nash
Nathan wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Peter Damian wrote: I don't know why such fuss has been made in the media about this. Under Chinese law, Xiaobo is a criminal who has been sentenced by Chinese judicial departments for violating Chinese

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread SlimVirgin
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 16:51, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: If, on the other hand, Peter is actually saying people banned from Wikipedia should have their organs harvested and is volunteering, that is of course a different matter. We could start with his brain cells, as there seems to

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Phil Nash
SlimVirgin wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 16:11, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: I expect you might have an apology and weakly-argued defence tomorrow, when you might have sobered up, but right now you are on thin ice in epistemological terms and are closer to a 17-year old

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Fred Bauder
You understood, I'm sure, that he was making an exaggerated comparison between the Chinese government's approach to public debate and Wikipedia's governance? He clearly believes that Liu Xiaobo has been mistreated (which he has been), and also that he and others have been mistreated by

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Phil Nash
Fred Bauder wrote: You understood, I'm sure, that he was making an exaggerated comparison between the Chinese government's approach to public debate and Wikipedia's governance? He clearly believes that Liu Xiaobo has been mistreated (which he has been), and also that he and others have been

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Fred Bauder
Well, do we actually prevent some viewpoint from being expressed adequately? How about a list? Fred Bauder I have a better idea. Peter is simply too offensive at times to be an unmoderated list participant. No further discussion is needed... Well, it's not a promising start, but I

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is not fair to censor Peter and then still talk about him and what he said. One or the other can be justified (and should be), but not both at the same time. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread SlimVirgin
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 17:14, Phil Nash phn...@blueyonder.co.uk wrote: Jonathan Swift was at least plausible in that regard (although satire rather than irony), because his writing was so obviously pointed that the clever people got the message and  the stupids didn't. Damian failed in being

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread shi zhao
about Liu Xiaobo: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charter_08 Chinese wikipedia: http://zh.wikipedia.org/ My blog: http://shizhao.org twitter: https://twitter.com/shizhao [[zh:User:Shizhao]] 2010/10/9 Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.com I don't know why such fuss has been made in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is not fair to censor Peter and then still talk about him and what he said. One or the other can be justified (and should be), but not both at the same time. While

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 10/08/2010 08:07 PM, Ryan Lomonaco wrote: On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Noeinprono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I think it is not fair to censor Peter and then still talk about him and what he said. One or the other can be justified (and

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-08 Thread Fred Bauder
I want to get something clear here, however: Is Liu Xiaobo a Wikimedia user and is it possible that he has been banned from zh.wikipedia? If so, that is something legitimate to discuss here and continue this thread. Certainly people of his stature have participated with editing Wikipedia