Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Виктория
*Dzień dobry, *Przykuta One of Wikipedia perennial dilemmas is quantity vs. quality. Low depth and low articles to non-auricles ratio usually a sign that too many articles were created semiautomatically, by bots and the community is spread too thin e.g. there is not enough people to correct and

[Foundation-l] Five-year WMF targets exclude non-Wikipedia projects

2010-10-10 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Despite repeated assurances at Wikimania, on lists and on strategywiki, that the strategic plan was going to consider all Wikimedia projects as important, now at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Five-year_targets the second target, «Increase the amount of information we offer»

Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Andrew Gray
2010/10/10 Виктория mstisla...@gmail.com: *Dzień dobry, *Przykuta One of Wikipedia perennial dilemmas is quantity vs. quality. Low depth and low articles to non-auricles ratio usually a sign that too many articles were created semiautomatically, by bots and the community is spread too thin

Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Przykuta
So perhaps it's something about the way the Polish Wikipedia works? A few thoughts: * Polish doesn't host any images - unlike most other projects - so there's no need for image pages, image talkpages, etc. On some projects, such as German, as many as 6% of pages are in the image

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-10 Thread Nathan
I agree that Peter's post exaggerates the problem the English Wikipedia sometimes has with groupthink and an entrenched, self-perpetuating bureaucracy. The comparison is unfair to Liu Xiaobo's history and work. Still, it's ironic that the first response to his somewhat inflammatory remarks was to

Re: [Foundation-l] Five-year WMF targets exclude non-Wikipedia projects

2010-10-10 Thread Michael Peel
On 10 Oct 2010, at 11:33, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: Despite repeated assurances at Wikimania, on lists and on strategywiki, that the strategic plan was going to consider all Wikimedia projects as important, now at http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Resolution:Five-year_targets the

Re: [Foundation-l] Liu Xiaobo

2010-10-10 Thread Marc Riddell
on 10/10/10 1:44 PM, Nathan at nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that Peter's post exaggerates the problem the English Wikipedia sometimes has with groupthink and an entrenched, self-perpetuating bureaucracy. The comparison is unfair to Liu Xiaobo's history and work. Still, it's ironic that

Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Przykuta
Old talk pages with solved problems are deleted. This is extremely strange. Talk pages are part of the article history. Ortega's thesis should be updated, perhaps. «The combination of a very active cohort of bots, together with the very low ratio of talk pages, indicates that the Polish

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-10 Thread Zugravu Gheorghe
On 06.10.2010 02:22, M. Williamson wrote: Marcus Buck wrote: Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_schools_in_Transnistria. They want to switch to Latin since long but the government does everything to stop them. Marcus, that is a tiny minority of Moldovans in Transnistria, and that

[Foundation-l] Free speech

2010-10-10 Thread Peter Damian
My apologies for the Godwinism. I am a writer, the idea of preventing someone expressing a viewpoint is reprehensible. Disruption to the project of building a comprehensive and reliable reference source is one thing. That is a matter of a 'preventative block'. Punitive blocks intended to

Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Michael Peel
Czesc all, On 10 Oct 2010, at 06:54, Przykuta wrote: Hi In pl wiki depth is very weak. We have many edits, like other bigger Wikipedias, but Ratio is problematical (Non-Articles/Articles). We have not a lot of non-article pages. Could you help us? Any ideas?

Re: [Foundation-l] Free speech

2010-10-10 Thread Michael Peel
Hi Peter, On 9 Oct 2010, at 11:15, Peter Damian wrote: My apologies for the Godwinism. I am a writer, the idea of preventing someone expressing a viewpoint is reprehensible. Disruption to the project of building a comprehensive and reliable reference source is one thing. That is a

Re: [Foundation-l] Free speech

2010-10-10 Thread Peter Damian
- Original Message - From: Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:49 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Free speech if an irrational argument is preventing you from sharing logical arguments,

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-10 Thread M. Williamson
2010/10/10 Zugravu Gheorghe zugravu.gheor...@gmail.com: On 06.10.2010 02:22, M. Williamson wrote: Marcus Buck wrote: Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moldovan_schools_in_Transnistria. They want to switch to Latin since long but the government does everything to stop them. Marcus, that

[Foundation-l] Moderation (was: Liu Xiaobo)

2010-10-10 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that Peter's post exaggerates the problem the English Wikipedia sometimes has with groupthink and an entrenched, self-perpetuating bureaucracy. The comparison is unfair to Liu Xiaobo's history and work. Still, it's

Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Przykuta
Does pl.wp have WikiProjects? If not, then perhaps this could explain the reduced number of non-article edits, given how many pages on en.wp only have wikiproject templates on their talk pages (or cases where having a non-redlink has promoted discussions). Thanks, Mike Peel Sure,

Re: [Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

2010-10-10 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 10.10.2010 22:50, hett M. Williamson schreven: Yes, and I would like to remind you that until relatively recently, all varieties of Romanian/Moldovan were always written in Cyrillic. Anti-Cyrillic position is to state that Moldovan Cyrillic is an artificial, Russian-based orthography,

Re: [Foundation-l] Five-year WMF targets exclude non-Wikipedia projects

2010-10-10 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:33 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com wrote: Despite repeated assurances at Wikimania, on lists and on strategywiki, that the strategic plan was going to consider all Wikimedia projects as important, now at

Re: [Foundation-l] How to improve quality of Wikipedia?

2010-10-10 Thread Виктория
I am not sure that deleting disccusion pages as a default is a good thing. If the discussion page exists some people will check it out of curosity and stay on the site longer, may be add their comments. Red scares many users, they don't know how to create a new page. Of course I don't like this