[Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-14 Thread Florence Devouard
On 12/10/10 1:01 AM, Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the line. Calling Sue Wikipedia Executive Director clearly crosses the line. From reading your posts today, I believe you agree. While I

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread Adam Cuerden
I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy situation, where not only was a dangerous article - it suggested homeopathy be used to treat life-threatening conditions - written by homeopaths, with nary a word

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread Adam Cuerden
Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: I'd seriously advocate against this. Citizendium is well known to have major, major problems. You may have heard about the Homeopathy situation,

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread Adam Cuerden
Mind you, the problems remain,... I don't know, I'm flying to America tomorrow, and have been running around for weeks trying to get stuff done, while the UK was under the grip of the worst weather in 50 years. I think that Citizendium is a toxic asset, and Wikipedia almost certainly shouldn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? That's not really a discussion for this mailing list. I'm not sure CZ would accept such an offer even if it were made, though. Accepting help from

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-14 Thread KIZU Naoko
You can claim to call it Devouard's Law, if preferable. On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:22 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: On 12/10/10 1:01 AM, Michael Snow wrote: On 12/9/2010 3:28 PM, MZMcBride wrote: Calling Jimmy Wikipedia founder was already incredibly close to crossing the

[Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Tim Starling
I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is exciting, because there is lots of article history in here which was assumed to be

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Peter Coombe
That's fantastic news, and just in time for the 10th anniversary too, when I'm sure the early days of Wikipedia will be in the limelight. Great find Tim! Would it be at all possible to import these into the current system? I know someone was importing edits from the Nostalgia wiki. It would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Chad
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread teun spaans
Tim, wonderful news! Thank you for making them publicly available! Of course I immediately downloaded them, and I must have a look at them later this week. Though they are from before I became active (2003) I am very curious if the articles in these files still exist, and how much they changed.

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Magnus Manske
Great news indeed! Now I can finally figure out when my first edit was :-) Magnus On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Michael Snow
On 12/14/2010 7:54 AM, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! I guess producing database dumps was easier in

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Steven Walling
This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as well as the other tools for cataloging interesting tidbits from our history.[2] 1.

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 9:23 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Sat, Dec 11, 2010 at 10:58:02PM +0100, Kim Bruning wrote: Ok, people wanting to run F/L/OSS/Wiki projects with me, send me a mail, and I'll sort things out. If citizendium wants to run  on my system then I'll at

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Jay Walsh
This is definitely a tremendous asset leading up to our big bday in January. I hope we can extract and post some of the real gems. Thanks for the resourcefulness and the sharing, Tim. On Dec 14, 2010, at 10:04 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-12-14 Thread geni
On 14 December 2010 09:41, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Actually, why not just offer Citizendium space on Wikia? Could that be done? WMF has no control over wikia in any way shape or form. Wikia is separate from us. now on the basis that wikia isn't picky about what it hosts it would

[Foundation-l] Wikis analysed

2010-12-14 Thread Olaf Simons
Hi, I am thinking of recommending a wiki database to a research project planned at Erfurt University. The group I have to advise is planning to edit late 17th and early 18th century letters of the republic of letters with the aim to reconstruct the flow of ideas and the personal networks that

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Rob Lanphier
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Moka Pantages
This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they excavate the files [1]. Can't wait to dig in! Congrats, Tim! [1] http://ten.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_in_the_Beginning Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 08:20:10 -0800 From:

Re: [Foundation-l] 10 Years of Wikipedia: What's That Mean to You?

2010-12-14 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
What has been written about 10 years of Wikipedia brought to my mind thoughts of victory disease (1), groupthink (2), hubris (3), narcissism (4), communal reinforcement (5), consensus reality (6), confirmation bias (7) or, more appropriately, Wikiality (8) as well as nemesis (9), Watergate

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 12/14/2010 8:21:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone finds anything noteworthy, please add it to the timeline of Wikipedia that we're building at the 10th anniversary wiki,[1] as

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread phoebe ayers
FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is so exciting!  To Steven's point: we've also

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
Winrar's your best bet. Other archivers may be equally good. FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:53 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/14/2010 8:21:09 AM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: This is fantastic, and the timing could not be better. If anyone

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
Would prefer on its own wiki as this is comprehensive up to a given date. Maybe January2001.wikipedia.org -- immediate impact. (DNS software cannot handle 2001.wikipedia.org) FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:04 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:54 AM, Tim

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread FT2
See see also etc in [[History of Wikipedia]]. FT2 On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 7:27 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: FYI, there is an existing timeline at: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_timeline And lots of other wikipedia history pages on English, too. :) Phoebe On

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis analysed

2010-12-14 Thread John Vandenberg
Hi Olaf, This would be a good WikiProject within Wikisource, or on top of Wikisource. Do you have scans of the letters? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikisource Wikisource is already set up to manage the transcription and presentation of the letters, pages about authors, etc., and the community

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread James Alexander
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 12:53 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Btw how does one *open* this tarball thing (on Windows) ? I'm a fan of http://www.7-zip.org/ -- James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
Right in time! And the rightly early version too! Kudos to the diggers and bashers! On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 21:23, Moka Pantages mpanta...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is so exciting! To Steven's point: we've also started a page where folks can add bits of interesting information as they

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001! That's wonderful news. Is this for enWP only or

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Brian J Mingus
Here are a couple of quick indexes into the dump file. I didn't venture into the binary revision data. You'll find an alphabetized list of articles that contains all the diffs for each article in the order that they occured in the dump and a sorted index into each revision as well.

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Hi Magnus, On 14.12.2010 22:35, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Mike Dupont
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: HomePage * WikiPedia * PhilosophyAndLogic * UnitedStates * PopularMusic * SportS * MathematicsAndStatistics * CountriesOfTheWorld * AaA * AfghanistaN * UuU * TechnologY * ComputinG * ComputerSoftware *

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Magnus Manske
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Magnus, On 14.12.2010 22:35, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikis analysed

2010-12-14 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
It's quite interesting that this topic has surfaced. The applications of such software might be of great interest in many areas. Some of those applications seem so powerful that it seems likely that this might be already well developed. The application mentioned in the opening of this thread

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 14.12.2010 23:47, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 9:49 PM, Henning Schlottmann Not true. The first other languages were introduced on March 15 and could be part of this archive if the different Wikipedias were in one database under UseMod. My earliest recorded entry in

Re: [Foundation-l] [WikiEN-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread emijrp
2010/12/14 Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 11:02 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: HomePage * WikiPedia * PhilosophyAndLogic * UnitedStates * PopularMusic * SportS * MathematicsAndStatistics * CountriesOfTheWorld * AaA *

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Tim Starling
On 15/12/10 07:36, Henning Schlottmann wrote: On 14.12.2010 16:54, Tim Starling wrote: I was looking through some old files in our SourceForge project. I opened a file called wiki.tar.gz, and inside were three complete backups of the text of Wikipedia, from February, March and August 2001!

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikileaks point ? Re: Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-14 Thread Florence Devouard
On 12/14/10 2:39 PM, KIZU Naoko wrote: You can claim to call it Devouard's Law, if preferable. Haha, no. It is far too similar to Godwin Law. It would be plagiarism (#evil). But I stand up by my claim. I would be curious to see how it evolves. Any mention of censorship --- reference to

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
I hope some of you may have seen/discussed these pages (as well as the connected pages): http://web.archive.org/web/20010418152404/www.nupedia.com/ upto http://web.archive.org/web/20030730075209/http://www.nupedia.org/ Of course the domain name then, was nupedia.org. -vp On Wed, Dec 15,

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread വിശ്വപ്രഭ
And here is the first http://wikipedia.com archive link available at web archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20010727112808/http://www.wikipedia.org/ 2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com I hope some of you may have seen/discussed these pages (as well as the connected pages):

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Brian J Mingus
Browsing through the earliest revisions in the revision index ( http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/revisions.html) is rather interesting and full of fodder for founder debates. Consider these very early revisions: [http://www.nupedia.com Nupedia.com] is an open content, international, peer

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Brian J Mingus
Here is an interesting bit of history - the Wikipedia logo was first an American flag. Then Scott Moonen suggested we make it a globe: In its first day of existences, because the nearest thing to hand for JimmyWales that was suitable for a logo was an American flag, WikiPedia had the American

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread emijrp
Is there any database backup of Nupedia? Or the articles were posted as HTML pages? 2010/12/15 ViswaPrabha (വിശ്വപ്രഭ) vp2...@gmail.com And here is the first http://wikipedia.com archive link available at web archive. http://web.archive.org/web/20010727112808/http://www.wikipedia.org/

Re: [Foundation-l] Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Tim Starling
On 15/12/10 11:17, Brian J Mingus wrote: Browsing through the earliest revisions in the revision index ( http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/revisions.html) is rather interesting and full of fodder for founder debates. Consider these very early revisions: [http://www.nupedia.com

Re: [Foundation-l] [SPAM] Re: Old Wikipedia backups discovered

2010-12-14 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 15.12.2010 01:36, hett Brian J Mingus schreven: http://grey.colorado.edu/wikipedia_2001/979773872.txt Nice to see that the quality of posts on the mailing lists was low and discussions lame and rapidly off-topicking since ... the very first day! ;-) Marcus Buck User:Slomox

[Foundation-l] Monthly Recurring Giving

2010-12-14 Thread Philippe Beaudette
One member of the fundraising team had it on her Christmas list. Another literally begged for it. So today, I feel quite a sense of accomplishment in announcing that the Wikimedia Foundation is now able to accept recurring monthly contributions as a giving option for our donors. Recurring