[Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Ashar Voultoiz
Hello, Tonight, Egypt has ordered all operators to shut down their BGP adjacencies with out of countries providers. This mean Egypt is disconnected from the rest of the internet. I am wondering, should we just close our site in support? That would surely have a huge impact and show how much

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Huib Laurens
Hello, When we close our site in support.. Than we don't support free information for everyone.. Than we close the information down... Best, Huib 2011/1/28 Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr hashar%2b...@free.fr Hello, Tonight, Egypt has ordered all operators to shut down their BGP

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 28 January 2011 08:25, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: Hello, Tonight, Egypt has ordered all operators to shut down their BGP adjacencies with out of countries providers.  This mean Egypt is disconnected from the rest of the internet. I am wondering, should we just close our

[Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
[To WMUK-l for local interest, and foundation-l as the issue's been discussed there at length.] Just spoke to a researcher, Charlotte something, for BBC 5 Live Investigates, Sunday 9pm, this item likely to go out 9:45pm or so. This was just for her research, it wasn't a recorded piece. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 12:24, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The Wikimedia movement does not have and should not have a position on the current situation in Egypt. While you view your suggestion as us taking the side of free information, it would be perceived as taking sides in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/1/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: The idea of getting samizdat copies of Wikipedia into Egypt appeals. Airlift in current-article dumps of ar:wp and en:wp on SD cards by the thousand? Don't forget arz.wikipedia. It's small, but shouldn't be ignored. -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 12:47, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/1/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: The idea of getting samizdat copies of Wikipedia into Egypt appeals. Airlift in current-article dumps of ar:wp and en:wp on SD cards by the thousand? Don't forget

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread SlimVirgin
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 06:40, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Just spoke to a researcher, Charlotte something, for BBC 5 Live Investigates, Sunday 9pm, this item likely to go out 9:45pm or so. This was just for her research, it wasn't a recorded piece. The piece is on Books LLC and

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 13:28, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: I think there's a sense of annoyance among writers whose work is being copied that the books are so expensive -- sometimes around $50 for a 10,000-word article -- and that the ads for them on Amazon don't make clear enough that

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Teofilo
2011/1/27 Jesse (Pathoschild) pathosch...@gmail.com: These messages are available to all wikis (including non-Wikimedia wikis), instead of just one wiki. That means contributing as a volunteer to a variety of websites with different principles. Wikimedia is a non profit and it is dedicated to

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 14:12, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/27 Jesse (Pathoschild) pathosch...@gmail.com: These messages are available to all wikis (including non-Wikimedia wikis), instead of just one wiki. That means contributing as a volunteer to a variety of websites with

Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

2011-01-28 Thread Aaron Adrignola
I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, collaboration and discussion hub, subsuming both WMF and Meta, and possibly other backstage wikis).

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When you contribute at translatewiki.net, you contribute to the localisation of Open Source / Free software. When YOU only want to contribute to Wikipedia, please do not localise MediaWiki because it does not give us all the best solution. Your notion of Wikimedia and its contributions are

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Teofilo
2011/1/27 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: One very powerful reason why you should not localise locally is because there is no way that you will know locally when a message gets changed. The consequence is that the quality of locally localised messages do not get the same quality

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Teofilo
2011/1/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: When the CIA uses MediaWiki and it does, we are happy because as a result we do and did get feedback on the use of our project. When the CIA wants to use LocalisationUpdate and its people help localise at translatewiki.net we could not be

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When messages get changed in the code repository system by people who contribute to the development of MediaWiki, it is done in a Wikimedia Foundation project. When messages change, it is detected at translatewiki.net and consequently action is taken to signal the need for action. This is

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Arlen Beiler
Or boycott their translations and start a WMF transwiki. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 10:08 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: 2011/1/28 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com: When the CIA uses MediaWiki and it does, we are happy because as a result we do and did get feedback on the

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Sorry but there are a few people who have the power and who do the work. When an organisation does contribute at translatewiki.net, that is exactly what they do. When you want to contribute you are welcome, not because you are a Wikipedian but because you contribute to the localisation of

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 28.01.2011 16:11, hett Arlen Beiler schreven: Or boycott their translations and start a WMF transwiki. That seems sensible! *eyeroll* If you look in the archives of this mailing list, you'll notice that the Translatewiki guys asked Wikimedia to host the wiki more than once. They would

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 15:08, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Let's imagine a group with non-democratic values provides translators to Translatewiki. You really don't understand that for any purpose bit, do you? If you don't want to contribute to a project (Wikimedia,) whose works

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 15:49, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 15:08, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Let's imagine a group with non-democratic values provides translators to Translatewiki. You really don't understand that for any purpose bit, do you? If you don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Reminder: Scholarship applications for Wikimania 2011 to end on January 31st

2011-01-28 Thread Jessie Wild
To verify from the Foundation: these numbers are approximately correct but indeed careful; we are hoping to have ~75 full scholarships. On 1/25/2011 12:31 PM, Harel Cain wrote: The exact number is to be decided by the Foundation based on flight costs, the geographies of the best candidates

Re: [Foundation-l] Reminder: Scholarship applications for Wikimania 2011 to end on January 31st

2011-01-28 Thread Jessie Wild
To verify from the Foundation: these numbers are approximately correct but indeed careful; we are hoping to have ~75 full scholarships. On 1/25/2011 12:31 PM, Harel Cain wrote: The exact number is to be decided by the Foundation based on flight costs, the geographies of the best candidates

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread geni
On 28 January 2011 13:56, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. The problem is there's no direct action we can really take without hampering the good reasons for reuse of our material. Or just scaring people off. I think the best we can do is raise awareness. This will do that, slightly.

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 18:44, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 13:56, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah. The problem is there's no direct action we can really take without hampering the good reasons for reuse of our material. Or just scaring people off. I think the best

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread SlimVirgin
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:48, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 18:44, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: I suspect that all we have to do is wait. Someone has effectively worked out how to spam Amazon. What one person can do so can others. Eventually the level of spam

Re: [Foundation-l] Translatewiki illustrates how low internationalisation is in the priorities of the Wikimedia Foundation

2011-01-28 Thread Strainu
2011/1/28 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: Strainu wrote: These messages can be improved by introducing internal links and references to wiki* policies. Why do you hate Wiktionary? ;-) MZMcBride Nice one :) Actually I could go on for ages on why wiktionary is bad , but that would be

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread Peter Coombe
On 28 January 2011 13:56, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 13:28, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: I think there's a sense of annoyance among writers whose work is being copied that the books are so expensive -- sometimes around $50 for a 10,000-word article --

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread George Herbert
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:51 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 12:47, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: 2011/1/28 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: The idea of getting samizdat copies of Wikipedia into Egypt appeals. Airlift in current-article

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Milos Rancic
We have fellow Wikimedians in Egypt. Any news about them? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

2011-01-28 Thread Pharos
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Aaron Adrignola aaron.adrign...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day leading toward www.wikimedia.org as a single information, collaboration and

Re: [Foundation-l] BBC 5 Live Investigates on Books LLC, Sunday night 9pm UTC

2011-01-28 Thread David Gerard
On 28 January 2011 19:04, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: From March 1st it might be worth contacting the UK Advertising Standards Authority, as their remit is being extended then: http://asa.org.uk/Regulation-Explained/Online-remit.aspx Oh, I *like* that one. That and some

Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

2011-01-28 Thread phoebe ayers
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Aaron Adrignola aaron.adrign...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that the edit restrictions on the WMF wiki are very unfortunate and there's still much more that can be done (perhaps one day

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Mohamed Ibrahim
Unfortunately all communications are down till now, I hope they are all fine. I'm currently out of the country and following only through TV and twitter. We're all waiting for the internet or at lease cell networks to be back. Thank you all for your comments, and yes I do not support shutting down

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread phoebe ayers
Thank you for the update Mido. I certainly hope all our Wikimedian colleagues are ok and would welcome any news if anyone has any. I know we are all thinking about our friends as the situation in Egypt progresses. best, phoebe On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 1:49 PM, Mohamed Ibrahim

[Foundation-l] wkipedia.com

2011-01-28 Thread Fred Bauder
Typosquatting: Not Just a For-Profit Problem http://www.jdsupra.com/post/documentViewer.aspx?fid=e8d044c9-e2d6-4587-8ba1-a5bc15647fea But how many variations would just be wasting money? And, now, buying them requires serious money. Fred ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread aude
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Relevant to Egypt and WMF, it is important that Al-Jazeera has released a pile of photos and video as CC by-nd and CC-by-nc-nd: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/al_jazeera_releases_egypt_coverage_under_creative.php

[Foundation-l] Ombudsman Commission

2011-01-28 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Hi all, As the month draws to a close, I wanted to announce this year's ombudsman commission, and offer my thanks to those who have served on the commission for the past year. Outgoing commission members are: Carkuni, of jawiki DR, of ruwiki Elian, of dewiki Lar, of enwiki and commonswiki

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread aude
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 January 2011 23:28, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 5:39 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Relevant to Egypt and WMF, it is important that Al-Jazeera has released a pile of photos

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread David Goodman
A wonderful precedent for other approaches to press agencies--it will perhaps work best for those agencies that have an appropriate special concern for the area or subject. On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:16 PM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 6:32 PM, David Gerard

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread geni
On 29 January 2011 00:16, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: They have posted one video now, and working on putting more up. http://cc.aljazeera.net/asset/language/arabic/footage-egyptian-protests-al-jazeera-office It's CC-BY licensed. I'm pretty technical, but if someone better with video

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 4:39 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Relevant to Egypt and WMF, it is important that Al-Jazeera has released a pile of photos and video as CC by-nd and CC-by-nc-nd: http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/al_jazeera_releases_egypt_coverage_under_creative.php

Re: [Foundation-l] Making wikimediafoundation.org more open to contributions

2011-01-28 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 2:33 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I think it would do us a lot of good to be able to recombine all of these topics so when we are looking for a calendar or a presentation bank or a list of media or whatever there is ONE place to go, not five. Such a

Re: [Foundation-l] Since Egypt has shutdown internet, should we too?

2011-01-28 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 29 January 2011 01:39:26 David Goodman написа: A wonderful precedent for other approaches to press agencies--it will perhaps work best for those agencies that have an appropriate special concern for the area or subject. This seems like a good place to mention that the