[Foundation-l] Wikimedia chapters' raison d'ĂȘtre?

2011-08-17 Thread Teofilo
Wikimedia chapters are not only an example of what should not be seen in Wikimedia projects (an institution[...], of any kind, [...] claiming to represent [...] individuals [1]) they also absorb funds and hire people, pushing with more weight the goal to make money (a salaried person expects

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement Roles: my suggestion of Language Contact Persons

2011-08-17 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2011/8/16 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: realized that we have to elect our ambassadors to Meta [1]. So, the first three persons on the list were actually elected. Unfortunately, the idea of Embassy was never really alive. Interesting! Actually, from the 5 persons on that list for

[Foundation-l] Image filter referendum

2011-08-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
Re (is anyone really going to say that they don't think it's important to be culturally neutral?) That depends on what the referendum means by culturally neutral. If it will be interpreted as meaning that the setting of filters will be neutral between all cultures, so Moslems will be able to use

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia chapters' raison d'ĂȘtre?

2011-08-17 Thread Lodewijk
Hi Teofilo, most likely some people will tell me afterwards that I should not have answered your email, because of famous internet laws, but I will do so none the less to avoid that people are being misinformed by your email. Teofilo: (...) they also absorb funds (...) Chapters do not 'absorb'

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Wjhonson
Litigation under the rules of plagiarism Can you cite that law for me? -Original Message- From: Robin McCain ro...@slmr.com To: foundation-l foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tue, Aug 16, 2011 7:43 pm Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues On 8/16/2011 2:50

[Foundation-l] Astonished by the so-called principle of least astonishment

2011-08-17 Thread Teofilo
My attention being caught by the sitenotice to the image hiding referendum, I came to read the 29 May 2011 board Controversial content resolution [1]. And I was astonished. I have two main criticisms. A) The principle of least astonishment was one compound in a set of balanced principles, limited

Re: [Foundation-l] Astonished by the so-called principle of least astonishment

2011-08-17 Thread Nathan
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 10:20 AM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: My attention being caught by the sitenotice to the image hiding referendum, I came to read the 29 May 2011 board Controversial content resolution [1]. And I was astonished. I have two main criticisms. A) The principle of

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia chapters' raison d'?tre?

2011-08-17 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi Teofilo, Chapters are geographic entities, I don't think they have a role in disputes about Commons templates. As for the controversial content referendum, I suspect some chapters or proto chapters in Islamic countries will be strongly for having such filters. But the content filtering thing

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Robin McCain
On 8/17/2011 7:02 AM, Wjhonson wrote: Litigation under the rules of plagiarism Can you cite that law for me? I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to recall that a Tort can be filed for just about anything that is perceived to cause injury. Note that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Wjhonson
For plagiarism to cause injury you have to specify the type of injury in your suit. And then the case is not about laws about plagiarism per se, of which there are none, but laws about the type of injury you are claiming. For example unfair trade as in I made all these designs and posted them

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Robin McCain
On 8/17/2011 9:20 AM, Wjhonson wrote: For plagiarism to cause injury you have to specify the type of injury in your suit. And then the case is not about laws about plagiarism per se, of which there are none, but laws about the type of injury you are claiming. For example unfair trade as in

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Wjhonson
Robin there are no laws (in the US) about plagiarism, that's what I'm saying. None. Zero. They don't exist. Why? Because plagiarism does not de facto create any injury. Wikipedia and the foundation operate under U.S. law so that's what is germane to this list, not what some other country

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Can you guys please take this discussion off-list? Thanks. Ryan Kaldari On 8/17/11 9:55 AM, Wjhonson wrote: Robin there are no laws (in the US) about plagiarism, that's what I'm saying. None. Zero. They don't exist. Why? Because plagiarism does not de facto create any injury. Wikipedia and

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Robin McCain
Technically you are correct. As I've stated, I'm not a lawyer. My original statement did not refer to any specific laws about plagiarism - rules are not necessarily laws and I'm sure that by 1831 many institutions of higher learning had some sort of statement like an honor code that included

Re: [Foundation-l] Astonished by the so-called principle of least astonishment

2011-08-17 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Teofilo, I think you're looking at the wrong Principle of Least astonishment page. You should look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment not http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Principle_of_least_astonishment At the time the resolution was passed, there was much

Re: [Foundation-l] Astonished by the so-called principle of least astonishment

2011-08-17 Thread Fred Bauder
B) Is there a philosopher aboard the plane ? Did-it not occur to anybody in the board that astonishment and knowledge are synonymous ? If you are against astonishment, you are against knowledge. Learning is about being astonished. I do not have to personally view santorum, mixed lubricant

Re: [Foundation-l] Astonished by the so-called principle of least astonishment

2011-08-17 Thread Victor Vasiliev
On Wed, Aug 17, 2011 at 6:20 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: B) Is there a philosopher aboard the plane ? Did-it not occur to anybody in the board that astonishment and knowledge are synonymous ? If you are against astonishment, you are against knowledge. Hello Teofilo, Imagine I

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 08/17/11 10:33 AM, Robin McCain wrote: As for litigation - I don't think anyone was going to actually attempt to go into court on this matter. The Book of Mormon was extremely controversial and received a lot of adverse publicity - it is one thing to claim that you are going to file an

Re: [Foundation-l] copyright issues

2011-08-17 Thread Robin McCain
Actually, this has all been fun, but we've managed to provoke others into telling us to take this elsewhere and we all got sidetracked. In the beginning of the thread I was simply commenting on the nit picking that can occur over the most trivial changes in copyritten material and how in the