Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 9:58 AM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: Hiya Bishakha On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 10:54 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: I have said, it is a matter of perspective how you view them. But if we go by the assumption that editorial judgement is a separate thing,

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: If you want to make a valid counterargument, say that you are worried that some censorious ISPs and countries might use our category definitions as a starting point for a bolt-on censorship system that restricts access

[Foundation-l] Answer: How do German women feel about the image filter?

2011-10-01 Thread Béria Lima
FW-ing from Gender Gap ML (with the author permission.) _ *Béria Lima* *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a fazer http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Nossos_projetos.* --

[Foundation-l] (erratum) Re: We need more information (was: Blog from Sue about ...)

2011-10-01 Thread Kim Bruning
On Sat, Oct 01, 2011 at 03:21:45AM +0200, Kim Bruning wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 08:47:43PM +0530, Bishakha Datta wrote: On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: ^- apologies for leaving this quote-line in. I was replying to a quote by Bishaka Datta.

Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

2011-10-01 Thread KIZU Naoko
Claiming copyright for religious works in use works also defense for possible alteration the original publisher or editor may regard as heretical. The similar happens in academia too. I know a certain online text database based on a scanned PD works, but the publisher (a certain academic society)

Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls

2011-10-01 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 6:44 AM, Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva tolkiend...@gmail.com wrote: In practical terms, what they can do? Wikipedia is hosted in US. Therefore, for a successful takedown, the museum must sue in US. Well, for one thing, they could sue reusers. WMF using the work is one

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread David Levy
Andreas Kolbe wrote: We'd still be in good company, as all other major websites, including Google, YouTube and Flickr, use equivalent systems, systems that are widely accepted. I'm going to simply copy and paste one of my earlier replies (from a different thread): Websites like Flickr (an

Re: [Foundation-l] Dead Sea Scrolls - if someone was to sue our reusers

2011-10-01 Thread WereSpielChequers
If the Museum of Israel or indeed anyone else was to sue someone reusing data from a Wikimedia project, then obviously one would hope that the result would endorse the community's view as to the copyright status of that data. If a certain British art gallery told us they'd just discovered that one

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-10-01 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
On 09/21/2011 03:47 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: * Create en.safe.wikipedia.org […] Then governments/ISPs/institutions could block unsafe-Wikipedia via DNS blocks. This is, compared to DPI, quite easy. Using en.wikipedia.org/safe/ might resolve this issue. * Create safe.wikimedia.org. That would be

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread Andreas Kolbe
David, You say that these organisations do what they do to maximise their profits. I would counter  that they maximise their profits by serving their customers as well as they can do. Serving  customers well is something that we should aspire to as well, regardless of whether our  customers

Re: [Foundation-l] Experiment: Blurring all images on Wikipedia

2011-10-01 Thread church.of.emacs.ml
Hi Björn, excellent! We need experiements and creative ideas. On 10/01/2011 02:46 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: This only works in recent desktop versions of Opera and Firefox and only on devices where you can easily hover. How good are chances it can be implemented in a feasible way for other

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: On 30 September 2011 13:40, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: First attempt at labeling content was made by Uwe Kils, and his class of students collectively logging as Vikings or something of the sort tagged content not suitable for teenst. Jimbo banned

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread David Levy
MZMcBride wrote: I'd forgotten all about Toby. That was largely a joke, wasn't it? Do not try to define Toby. Toby might be a joke or he might be serious. Toby might be watching over us right now or he might be a bowl of porridge. Toby might be windmills or he might be giants. Don't fight

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread Phil Nash
David Levy wrote: MZMcBride wrote: I'd forgotten all about Toby. That was largely a joke, wasn't it? Do not try to define Toby. Toby might be a joke or he might be serious. Toby might be watching over us right now or he might be a bowl of porridge. Toby might be windmills or he might

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-10-01 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Oct 1, 2011 at 17:18, church.of.emacs.ml church.of.emacs...@googlemail.com wrote: On 09/21/2011 03:47 AM, Milos Rancic wrote: * Create en.safe.wikipedia.org […] Then governments/ISPs/institutions could block unsafe-Wikipedia via DNS blocks. This is, compared to DPI, quite easy. Using

Re: [Foundation-l] Experiment: Blurring all images on Wikipedia

2011-10-01 Thread Bjoern Hoehrmann
* church.of.emacs.ml wrote: On 10/01/2011 02:46 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: This only works in recent desktop versions of Opera and Firefox and only on devices where you can easily hover. How good are chances it can be implemented in a feasible way for other browsers? Webkit-derived browsers

Re: [Foundation-l] We need more information (was: Blog from Sue about ...)

2011-10-01 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 09/30/11 3:34 AM, Lodewijk wrote: One final remark: I couldn't help but laugh a little when I read somewhere that we are the experts, and we are making decisions for our readers - and that these readers should have to take that whole complete story, because what else is the use of having

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-10-01 Thread Ray Saintonge
On 09/30/11 9:41 AM, Theo10011 wrote: I have never said, *ever*, led on I don't think girls should not be educated about sexuality. I also grew up in a time when I had to find sexual content by way of a pile of Playboys in my cousins bathroom, watching MTV, and stealing my sisters copy of

Re: [Foundation-l] We need more information (was: Blog from Sue about ...)

2011-10-01 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 5:34 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.orgwrote: (not responding to anyone in particular) I'm one of the people who tried to participate in the discussion without taking a strong standpoint (intentionally - because I'm quite nuanced on the issue, and open for good