On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:44 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
On 19/10/2011 20:04, Béria Lima wrote:
/me does.
And here is why: 70% of the problem with a image stands in WHO IS SEEING IT.
I'm from Brazil and in my country we even have 1 week festival - worldwide
famous - for have
On 10/19/11 12:48 PM, Risker wrote:
Today, the Canadian Supreme Court found that an online writer who used
external hyperlinks could not be held liable for the contents of the
hyperlinked materials:
Am 19.10.2011 23:19, schrieb Philippe Beaudette:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 5:07 AM, Tobias Oelgarte
tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote:
I ask Sue and Philippe again: WHERE ARE THE PROMISED RESULTS - BY PROJECT?!
First, there's a bit of a framing difference here. We did not initially
cimonav...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:44 PM, ??? wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
I note that the TV shows the scenes after 9pm, or in other words they
apply some filter on the content if only based on time.
As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than
As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than brazilian
culture, We did confront a teacher who was in her retirement age with
images worse than genital piercings. And, yes, she not only blushed
but turned livid, But she kept on teaching us biology. ! Not saying
what we did was
Perhaps she believes in fair tales, perhaps she was so used to see penis and
percing in her life that was only one more, perhaps we would buy the crap
you trying to selling us...
... all a question of probabilities ;)
_
*Béria Lima*
http://wikimedia.pt/(351) 925 171 484
*Imagine um mundo
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Thomas Morton
morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than brazilian
culture, We did confront a teacher who was in her retirement age with
images worse than genital piercings. And, yes, she not only blushed
but
On Wikipedia this is called vandalism and trolling; and we *do* censor it
:)
No we don't and that is the whole point. We edit. We don't censor,
We remove suppress such material. This is censoring the troll/vandals
contribution.
I am sorry but you don't get to use a potential straw man
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:02 PM, Thomas Morton
morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote:
On Wikipedia this is called vandalism and trolling; and we *do* censor it
:)
No we don't and that is the whole point. We edit. We don't censor,
We remove suppress such material. This is censoring the
Okay, We do not censor, because censorship is prior referral to a body
to approve publication. We edit live, so a priori we don't censor.
Ouch, no it isn't. It's just suppression of material. That we edit publicly
and in real time is just a product of advancing technology :)
Very clear to
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News and notes: Arabic Wikipedia gets video intros, Smithsonian gifts images,
and WikiProject Conservatism scrutinized
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In the news: Why Wikipedia survives while others haven't; Wikipedia as an
emerging social
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 2:40 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com
wrote:
* I know flagged rev's petered out and is in limbo at the moment - but
opposition to it was not really built on the issue of censorship.
Note that this is only true in the English Wikipedia. Flagged revisions
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
wrote:
As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than brazilian
culture, We did confront a teacher who was in her retirement age with
images worse than genital piercings. And, yes, she not only blushed
On 20 October 2011 16:02, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
Not everybody uses the Internet in the same way. Many younger users are
fairly inured to porn and gore, having seen it all before. But a lot of the
people who have something to offer Wikipedia in the, you know, *educational*
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:03:25 +0200
From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial
Content
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Message-ID:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:02 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
wrote:
As a person from a more nordic and perhaps even ruder than brazilian
culture, We did confront a teacher who was in her retirement age with
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20 October 2011 16:02, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
Not everybody uses the Internet in the same way. Many younger users are
fairly inured to porn and gore, having seen it all before. But a lot of
the
people
Ok, this discussion has 60 arguments and we are getting nowhere. Why don't
we follow Google's example (what that is is for you to figure out)?
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 4:13 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 20
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 10:29 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Indeed, but *not* when it comes to images' basic illustrative
properties. Again, I elaborated in the text quoted below.
This process can be applied to images depicting almost any subject,
even if others decline to
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 9:35 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
The more we adhere to professional standards, the more professionals we
will
be able to attract. You may view abandoning the standards of the male
teenage/early twenties age group as bending the encyclopedia out of shape;
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
I find something very odd in that statement. But first, What professional
standards? I always assumed, Wikipedia was the amateur alternative to the
professionals, the same white, grey, male academicians that skew the
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
I never assumed that, and it is not consistent with basic Wikipedia
policies
that have existed for almost as long as Wikipedia has existed. Wikipedia is
based on professionally published sources. They are privileged as
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Whether to add a media file to an article or not is always a
cost/benefit not is always a cost/benefit question. It does not make
sense to argue that any benefit, however small and superficial,
outweighs any cost, however large and substantive.
Agreed. I'm not arguing
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:28 PM, WereSpielChequers
werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote:
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 20 Oct 2011 13:03:25 +0200
From: Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 6:56 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:50 PM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
I never assumed that, and it is not consistent with basic Wikipedia
policies
that have existed for almost as long as Wikipedia has existed.
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Whether to add a media file to an article or not is always a
cost/benefit not is always a cost/benefit question. It does not make
sense to argue that any benefit, however small and superficial,
* Andreas K. wrote:
I wasn't actually saying that à propos the image filter, more in relation to
the general point about editorial judgment.
Cultures differ, and like attracts like. You know our demographics. They're
still far from ideal.
* Half of our editors are 21 or younger.
* Only a
Sounds good. I was going by last year's United Nations University survey,
http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_Overview_15March2010-FINAL.pdf
which is older, but had a much larger sample size (176,000 vs. 5,300,
comprising both readers and editors).
Andreas
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at
* Andreas K. wrote:
Sounds good. I was going by last year's United Nations University survey,
http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_Overview_15March2010-FINAL.pdf
which is older, but had a much larger sample size (176,000 vs. 5,300,
comprising both readers and editors).
I think the
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
Sounds good. I was going by last year's United Nations University survey,
http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_Overview_15March2010-FINAL.pdf
which is older, but had a much larger sample size (176,000 vs. 5,300,
On 19/10/11 02:15, Domas Mituzas wrote:
Short answer: no
Long answer:
we have uneven chances for different pages to show up. It is based
on the idea that every page gets inserted into discreetly random
position in a certain linear space, so you end up with [[Poisson
distribution]], which
Tim Starling, 21/10/2011 02:29:
There's no bias towards or away from porn, however. The distributions
of page_random gaps are independent of any variable you might want to
study, like quality or age.
If you try to get a lot of random pages from Special:Random,
eventually you will notice that
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say that we should consider ourselves *bound* by
others' decisions either. But I do think that the presence or absence of
precedents in reliable sources is an important factor that we should weigh
when we're contemplating the addition of a
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 12:32 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.netwrote:
* Andreas K. wrote:
Sounds good. I was going by last year's United Nations University survey,
http://www.wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_Overview_15March2010-FINAL.pdf
which is older, but had a much larger
* Andreas K. wrote:
The median and quartiles are on page 7 of the report:
---o0o---
Valid responses were received from respondents between 10 – 85 years.
Overall, the average age of the Wikipedians that participated in the survey
is 25.22 years. Half of the respondents are younger than 22
topic was: Re: [Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 5:47 AM, Andreas K. jayen...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 7:19 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
Whether to add a media file to an article or
IIRC, They said that the soft limit would simply mean that they'd make
sure any post beyond 30 were at least somewhat useful. The impression I got
was that if you wanted to send 100 at least semi-constructive emails, you'd
get through. If you want to flame and flame and flame ... you'd get cut at
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jon Davis w...@konsoletek.com wrote:
IIRC, They said that the soft limit would simply mean that they'd make
sure any post beyond 30 were at least somewhat useful. The impression I got
was that if you wanted to send 100 at least semi-constructive emails, you'd
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 10:34 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 1:27 PM, Jon Davis w...@konsoletek.com wrote:
IIRC, They said that the soft limit would simply mean that they'd make
sure any post beyond 30 were at least somewhat useful. The impression I
got
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:48 AM, Bjoern Hoehrmann derhoe...@gmx.net wrote:
* Andreas K. wrote:
The median and quartiles are on page 7 of the report:
---o0o---
Valid responses were received from respondents between 10 – 85 years.
Overall, the average age of the Wikipedians that
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 2:13 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote:
Andreas Kolbe wrote:
I wouldn't go so far as to say that we should consider ourselves *bound*
by
others' decisions either. But I do think that the presence or absence of
precedents in reliable sources is an
On 21-10-2011 03:06, Andreas K. wrote:
the
median is always smaller than the average.
There's no such relation between median and average:
{20, 21, 24, 26, 28}: Median (24) Average (23.8)
{20, 22, 24, 26, 28}: Median (24) = Average (24)
{20, 23, 24, 26, 28}: Median (24) Average (24.2)
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