Re: [Foundation-l] sad news

2012-03-18 Thread Ms. Anne Frazer
On Saturday, March 17, 2012 3:59 AM shlo...@shlomifish.org wrote: On Wed, 14 Mar 2012 19:42:05 -0700 phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Those of you who have been around for a few years may remember user:Tlogmer, aka Ben Yates -- co-author with Charles Matthews and I on How Wikipedia Works. I got an

[Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Dear friends, After weeks of full work, this is the draft charter that has been worked on. I copy for you here the introduction and the link to meta. If you have questions about it, you may put them on the talk page or send them to me. Kind regards Ziko In February 2012, in Paris, Chapter

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Nathan
So a group of chapters, reacting against a perceived effort to centralize the movement, create a brand new central body with an extensive (and apparently, expensive) bureaucracy? Are there really a lot of people that think this is a good idea? On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Ziko van Dijk

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Nathan, 18/03/2012 20:47: So a group of chapters, reacting against a perceived effort to centralize the movement, create a brand new central body with an extensive (and apparently, expensive) bureaucracy? Are there really a lot of people that think this is a good idea? Yes because it is. And

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Michael Peel
Think of this more as the hub of a bicycle wheel with many spokes, rather than a centralised body. A device that makes for quicker progress than walking alone, but isn't a burdensome stone wheel. Having a lightweight central organisation that can keep an eye on what is going on, that can

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Theo10011
On Mon, Mar 19, 2012 at 1:17 AM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: So a group of chapters, reacting against a perceived effort to centralize the movement, create a brand new central body with an extensive (and apparently, expensive) bureaucracy? Are there really a lot of people that think this

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Thomas Morton
Hmmm, whilst I certainly sympathise with the factions that prompted this, I have to agree with Nathan that it is a saddening thing to see. Governments are stifling, and this unfortunately is what appears to be being proposed. I recall a comment one of my favourite professors used to make which

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 18 March 2012 21:18, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Some further comments, having read the related pages in more depth: - To what legal body will the duties be paid? The idea is that the council will be a new legal body. - What is the purpose of duties exactly (there

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Nathan
Yes, there are lots of people that think this is a good idea. Currently, there are 3 things not happening, which are causing us problems: 1) There's not really anyone to help chapters develop. If you have a group of Wikipedians who want to set up a chapter, there are lots of challenges

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Thomas Morton
On 18 March 2012 21:29, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 March 2012 21:18, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: Some further comments, having read the related pages in more depth: - To what legal body will the duties be paid? The idea is that the council

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Chris Keating
This could be much more usefully addressed with a cooperative assistance group, rather than some sort of super-governance association. Somehow lots of chapters managed to form themselves without the existence of an international governing body. If technical assistance is what you are

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Chris Keating chriskeatingw...@gmail.comwrote: This could be much more usefully addressed with a cooperative assistance group, rather than some sort of super-governance association. Somehow lots of chapters managed to form themselves without the

Re: [Foundation-l] Draft charter of the Wikimedia Chapters Association

2012-03-18 Thread Osmar Valdebenito
We agree that regionalization is something important and different approaches should be considered and not only the European one. And that's why we think it is important the idea of a council, where all chapters are equal partners and not subordinated to a single Anglo-American concept that has

[Foundation-l] Wikipedia Middle East Workshop in Amman

2012-03-18 Thread Heather Ford
Friends from the Oxford Internet Institute well-known for their global Wikipedia research, including Mark Graham, are organizing a workshop for Middle East contributors to Wikipedia in Amman next month. But interest in participating has been so low that they may need to postpone. If you edit