Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 7:29 PM, Marc Riddell michaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: Phoebe, does this sound familiar? We want you to imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. That is our commitment. We're in it for the long haul. (From: Ten

Re: [Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

2012-02-13 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Mathias Damour mathias.dam...@laposte.net wrote: Why would both Associations and Affiliates both need to use Wikimedia marks ? Because they might feel a need to identify themselves as part of Wikimedia. Yes, there is much talk about use of Wikimedia trademarks

Re: [Foundation-l] Terms of use : Anglo-saxon copyright law and Anglo-saxon lawyers : a disgrace for Continental Europeans

2011-12-12 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:25 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Would you care to explain anything you're talking about? I don't see anything in the Licensing section that mentions anything about U.S. copyright law. It says the content is licensed under the GFDL and CC-BY-SA, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-12-02 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Dec 2, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Am I being dense, or are you being silly? Blocking advocacy from a site with a NPOV policy is a bajillion miles from being censorship. It may be a bajillion miles, I still think it's closer to it than giving the

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: If the filter is predefined then it might meet the personal preference and can be easy to use. But it will be an violation of NPOV, since someone else (a group of reader/users) would have to define it. That

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: The problem starts at the point where the user does not choose the image(s) for himself and uses a predefined set on what should no be shown. Someone will have to create this sets and this will be

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:42 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I neither agree. We decide what belongs to which preset (or who will do it?), and it is meant to filter out controversial content. Therefore we define what controversial content is, - or at least we tell the

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Alasdair w...@ajbpearce.co.uk wrote: So a big objection is that any sets of filters is not so much to the weak filtering on wikipedia but that such sets  would enable other censors to more easily make a form of strong censorship of wikipedia where some images

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 29.11.2011 14:40, schrieb Andre Engels: On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 1:03 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com  wrote: The problem starts at the point where the user does not choose the image(s

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Do you remember your last mail in which you said that my viewpoints are extreme? I was writing that considering anything controversial or not are the only neutral positions to take. You opposed it strongly.

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 3:12 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: I think the fundamental error in this reasoning is that you seem to under the impression that this is something new here that is considered, and that there have only been a few people commenting on these

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:43 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 November 2011 09:34, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: Our core mission is making information and knowledge available to people who want it, not pushing it down their throats against their will. Show

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:14 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 28 November 2011 10:07, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: You're saying that anything that is not wanted by more than a few people goes against our core mission? No, and nor did I say anything that could

Re: [Foundation-l] Image filter brainstorming: Personal filter lists

2011-11-28 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 11:58 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: At this point you appear to be stretching to keep a flame war going. Stretching? It seemed like a valid chain of reasoning to me. But if you don't agree, please give your line of reasoning as to how your statement was a

Re: [Foundation-l] Finnish MP FAIL!!!

2011-11-19 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 9:39 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Not sure if this is appropriate for this list, but just for lulz. A finnish member of parliament just got caught for his speech being a word for word piece of snippets from a Finnish Wikipedia article. No

Re: [Foundation-l] just wondering, are we going to take down en.wikipedia.org?

2011-10-27 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 3:43 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.comwrote: we recently did some practice on italian wikipedia, are we going to protest IP legislation in US by taking down English Wikipedia?

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia ideology

2011-10-23 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Peter Damian peter.dam...@btinternet.comwrote: A general question: is there a Wikipedian ideology? What is it? In particular, how does the current ideology, if there is one, compare with the ideology which inspired its founding fathers. And mothers - many of

Re: [Foundation-l] Is random article truly random

2011-10-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Oct 21, 2011 at 7:26 AM, Castelo michelcastelobra...@gmail.comwrote: On 21-10-2011 03:06, Andreas K. wrote: the median is always smaller than the average. There's no such relation between median and average: {20, 21, 24, 26, 28}: Median (24) Average (23.8) {20, 22, 24, 26, 28}:

Re: [Foundation-l] An image filter proposal from German Wikipedia

2011-10-15 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 1:40 AM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: What I like about this proposal is its simplicity and elegance. It has the great benefit of leaving the communities and content writers in charge of where and to what extent they use the filter, and it also includes

Re: [Foundation-l] Blog from Sue about censorship, editorial judgement, and image filters

2011-09-30 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Sep 30, 2011 at 8:41 PM, Theo10011 de10...@gmail.com wrote: That is just completely untrue. The image filter will allow people to choose what to see and what not to see. We won't be making the decisions... Actually, we will be. Depending upon how such a system is implemented,

Re: [Foundation-l] 10th wiki-birthdays?

2011-09-25 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 7:07 AM, aude aude.w...@gmail.com wrote: Rather than 10th birthday for the projects, I think he's talking about as an editor. Anyone here who has been editing for 10 years? ;) Plus a few months, my first edits were from March 2001. -- André Engels,

Re: [Foundation-l] A possible solution for the image filter

2011-09-22 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 1:19 PM, WereSpielChequers werespielchequ...@gmail.com wrote: One of my objections that I hope some others share is that an IP based system inevitably means one person deciding what others may see - which to my mind is the point where an image filter becomes a censor.

Re: [Foundation-l] Possible solution for image filter

2011-09-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 7:20 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I still can't the a rational difference between images included in articles by the will of the community and text passages included by the will of the community. It's much easier to note offensive text

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-18 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia *used* to hold the position that we wouldn't aid China to block images of the Tianamen Massacre, and went to great lengths to assure that chinese users of Wikipedia could evade blocks to viewing. I

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-18 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 18.09.2011 09:46, schrieb Andre Engels: On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:49 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Wikimedia *used* to hold the position that we wouldn't aid China

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-18 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Okay. Is there a commitment on the part of the foundation that they will help people using our filtering scheme and the usual browser add-ons to Wmake it impossible to view material on wikipedia from schools

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-18 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 3:02 PM, Oliver Koslowski o@t-online.de wrote: Am 18.09.2011 13:56, schrieb Andre Engels: On itself the one who tags the image, but we happen to have a system for that in Wikimedia. It is called discussion and trying to reach consent. Who decides whether a page

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-17 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Sep 17, 2011 at 8:16 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: I find it strange that you consider this an objection to a filter. Surely, giving someone an imperfect choice of what they consider objectionable is _less_ making a decision for them than judging in advance that

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 7:56 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: You would have to proof that your facts are indeed true. But if you accept it as a huge difference between cultures, how can you impose a filter for a culture that doesn't need it or wants it? Just like

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I would not have any problems if we would not play in the hands of censors (local ISPs, a simple proxy, regimes, institutions, ...) by actually labeling content as objectionable. Which gives away the

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Andre Engels
Sorry, I dropped some hot food on me as I wrote this, and then apparently accidentily hit sent. On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:57 PM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 9:13 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: I would not have any problems

Re: [Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

2011-09-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: This would imply that the referendum indeed asked the wrong questions. If all would have equal values, then i must wonder about the strong difference in result. We have a referendum which points out that

Re: [Foundation-l] Hypothetical project rebranding Wikimedia

2011-09-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 4:47 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Does rebranding change anything then the name or appearance? Or better asked: Does it help to solve any of our real problems? It might be useful in reducing confusion - when saying that one is on the board

Re: [Foundation-l] PG rating

2011-09-07 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:59 AM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:24 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any encyclopedia which have been classified/banned/bowlderised by any country in the last 50 years? If Wikipedia is a quality

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-06 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.comwrote: But as Tom say, online media has quickly found that the traditional editorial process doesn't work so well on the internet. On the other hand the net does allow very quick rewrite expansion for a developing

Re: [Foundation-l] The systematic and codified bias against non-Western articles on Wikinews

2011-09-06 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:00 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ruwrote: Can not you just introduce a flag of a trusted editor, similar to an autoreviewer? I mean, if the news creator is a en.wp administrator most probably he/she is not a vandal trying to post junk in the Google News. Why

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-05 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 September 2011 11:02, Marc A. Pelletier m...@uberbox.org wrote: On 05/09/2011 10:55 AM, Andrew Gray wrote: As to why no-one is distributing a filtered version of Wikipedia, I think that falls more under the general

Re: [Foundation-l] Personal Image Filter results announced

2011-09-04 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 11:54 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: The selection of labels isn't supposed to be unbiased. Users select whichever labels they want. All you have to do is make sure it's easy for people to create new labels if none of the existing ones fit their needs,

Re: [Foundation-l] Pending Changes development update: September 27

2011-08-02 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 6:06 PM, Keegan Peterzell keegan.w...@gmail.comwrote: On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 10:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: Did the idea of the second trial get any momentum in the end of the day? As a en.wp newbie, I could only find the poll that the trial

Re: [Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

2011-07-23 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 11:25 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 8:12 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I have a hard time understanding why people think chapters are representative of the community. They're representative of people who like to

Re: [Foundation-l] They do make or break reputations

2011-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jul 16, 2011 at 10:49 AM, Krinkle krinklem...@gmail.com wrote: I haven't fully read the context of this thread, but something that did cross my mind recently, why do we treat YouTube-links different from other links here? Aren't most of our sources and external linked websites

Re: [Foundation-l] List of Wikimedia projects and languages

2011-07-11 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 11:32 AM, emijrp emi...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinct_language It is believed that 90% of the circa 7,000 languages currently spoken in the world will have become extinct by 2050, as the world's language system has reached a crisis and is

Re: [Foundation-l] Privacy concerns

2011-07-10 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 12:03 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: The relevant paragraph appears to be http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sokpop#Ontsnappingsclausule The Google translation is In order to be unblocked, the person behind the corresponding IP address is a letter

Re: [Foundation-l] Amicus Brief Filed in Golan v. Holder: Fighting for the Public Domain

2011-06-24 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:07 AM, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote: None of these 5 seem to qualify as fitting into the gap of death of the author between 50 and 70 years ago, though for File:Alicebeggar.png and File:AliceSilvy.png: this is not 100% sure - if the artist was 20 years

Re: [Foundation-l] Plethora of overlapping Categories

2011-06-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Rui Correia correia@gmail.com wrote: I know I am in the wrong place for this. Normally this kind of thing would/ should go on the discuss pages, but category discuss pages don't attract much attention. If you consult Categories: Sailors/ Navigators/

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 1:15 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Those are preliminary results. We have two chapters (and strategic focus) in countries of the list above. Inside of the longer list, which should be verified, we have more chapters. I noted that there are even two

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native...

2011-05-22 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 7:13 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: You're missing my point. All the Latin languages share a common writing system and only differ in the way the language is spoken. Address the point that the words within the system have the same semantic *meaning* and are formed with

Re: [Foundation-l] 1.3 billion of humans don't have Wikipedia in their native language

2011-05-22 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/22/2011 06:41 PM, Thomas Morton wrote: An interesting aside on this would be... What is the quality of the foreign-language Wiki's that currently exist. For example; the articles in my specific technical topic area

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Copyright problems of images from India

2011-05-10 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: In a number of years things may change, and ultimately the photo will definitely be out of copyright wherever and whenever published though the simple passing of time :) If the US keeps its speed of extending

Re: [Foundation-l] Turn the things the other way around Baidu Baike copies content from Wikipedia without attribution

2011-04-25 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Apr 25, 2011 at 8:45 AM, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote: As Ray saids legal prosecution to claim for formal accomplishing of the copyright terms is expensive and difficult. But the same happens the other way around. I would like to have a clear legal opinion about applying the terms

[Foundation-l] wiki for interwiki (was: Foundation too passive)

2011-03-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Mar 21, 2011 at 8:50 AM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote: You do have the power! The world as immensely changed in the last few years thanks to the internet.  Internet is just about connecting people and every little step is a change.  Get an idea, get community members

Re: [Foundation-l] 2011 Board Elections: Input needed

2011-03-20 Thread Andre Engels
Lowering the edit counts sounds good, it does however also have a downside, in that it makes it easier to vote using sockpuppets or meatpuppets. I agree with voices speaking out against giving voting rights based on donations; I do also think giving people voting rights based only on being

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 12:35 PM, FT2 ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: During the strategy taskforce, the quality team came to two conclusions that are similar to some ideas in this thread, but avoid the issues mentioned. [snip] First, let me apologize beforehand for sounding too cynical, but I have

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread Andre Engels
I may sound negative, as said, I know much has been tried, and little succeeded. I do really hope this does work, and am well willing to think along to try to make it that way. In fact, it is not that far from ideas that I have developed myself or with other users on IRC as well - although I was

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@yahoo.com wrote: That's precisely the problem. Being able to remove the right to edit BLPs from a user, irrespective of whether they have been uncivil etc., just based on the nature of their edits, is the only thing that will solve it.

Re: [Foundation-l] breaking English Wikipedia apart

2011-03-14 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 11:24 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I can see where this ends: biased editors in control; no discussion, no appeal, disagree and you're history. That is indeed a risk. There seems to be no way out. Either you treat trolls as deccent editors, or you treat

Re: [Foundation-l] [Announce] Brion Vibber to rejoin Wikimedia Foundation

2011-03-09 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Mar 9, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote: Mi ne havas kontraŭstaron pri Esperanto en ĉi tiu specifa temo. Bedaŭrinde mankas Google traduki en ĉi tiu lingvo! Machine translation from Esperanto to English or Hungarian is possible at http://traduku.net -- André

Re: [Foundation-l] retire the administrator privilege

2011-01-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Jan 16, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Are there any checkusers that aren't admins already? Checkuser is an extra tool given to admins, not a tool given out independantly of other tools. On Dutch Wikipedia we currently have 5 checkusers, only 2 of which

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia articles based on Wikileaks material

2010-12-12 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:49 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, raw data is a primary source and therefore likely unsuitable for en:wp. The raw data is, however, US government public domain and therefore suitable for Wikisource as an important historical text (which it is).

Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

2010-11-29 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 6:26 AM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/28/2010 9:06:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, russnel...@gmail.com writes: Yes I agree, the policy is extremely vague. We may be struck by lightning, we may be abducted by aliens, we may be sentient beings. May

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyright terms, again

2010-11-10 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Nov 10, 2010 at 7:01 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: My precise question is: Does US law follow local copyright laws in relation to the works published locally and by authors with local citizenship? Or not? No, many countries apply the 'law of shorter term' (that is, works

Re: [Foundation-l] Increasing the number of new accounts who actually edit

2010-09-22 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:55 AM, Lennart Guldbrandsson wikihanni...@gmail.com wrote: Did you know that less than a third of the users who create an account on English Wikipedia make even *one* edit afterwards? Two-thirds of all new accounts never edit! Interestingly, this percentage vary very

Re: [Foundation-l] Sakha Wikipedia passed 7000 articles

2010-08-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 5:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: The backlash had the potential of stopping all new Wikipedias in any language. To prevent this from happening, the language committee and its policy were created. This policy was accepted by the board of

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Muhammad Yahia shipmas...@gmail.com wrote: Acehnese Wikipedia is ready to boycott Wikipedia if there is fatwa from competent ulama. In addition to trying to have a dialog with them and explain NPOV and the rest of the pillars, I think someone should explain

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:25 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 July 2010 17:58, Excirial wp.excir...@gmail.com wrote: If a culture sees these images as highly offensive, and if the main complement of editors / readers agrees with this i wouldn't object to such a rule, as long as

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:14 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: That there is ambiguity at the edges does not disprove NPOV. Day fades into night, but they're different things. This template is blatant advocacy to violate NPOV, and indeed to do so across all Wikimedia sites. They had

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:15 PM, Pavlo Shevelo pavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: So? Is every single rule on Wikipedia completely determined by NPOV? As to the best of my understanding Each and every single rule on Wikipedia is completely determined by WP:5P (and NPOV is one of them) in sense

Re: [Foundation-l] Boycott in a...@wiki

2010-07-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:24 PM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: As to the best of my understanding Each and every single rule on Wikipedia is completely determined by WP:5P (and NPOV is one of them) in sense

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource and reCAPTCHA

2010-06-30 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Samuel J Klein s...@wikimedia.org wrote: PGDP has a very strict and arduous workflow...  The result is quality, however only the text is sent downstream. Why not send images and text downstream? Because PGDP produces for Project Gutenberg, which publishes

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource and reCAPTCHA

2010-06-30 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:24 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Good question! ;-) Storage is one issue. It would be interesting to estimate the storage requirements of Wikisource if we had produced the PGDP etexts. I think it is the main reason; however, a back-of-the-envelope

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:17 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: When I go to YouTube, the number of videos which are some bad amateur singer trying to sing some good song far outweigh the number of original videos of that song/group.  The amount of free content in music, in general is rapidly

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: Austin, Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer of Wikiversity. Gerard's call for political activism against that organization is completely unacceptable and harms projects like my own that have

Re: [Foundation-l] Your abuse of moderator status

2010-06-26 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 4:42 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: Austin, Maybe you didn't realize but I am the top organizer

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Jeffrey Peters 17pet...@cardinalmail.cua.edu wrote: Thank you for clarifying. I put forth another email based on the expectation of the point you just made (so, thus, I am sorry for assuming you were speaking against the law and not in support of the license

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikisource and reCAPTCHA

2010-06-24 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:37 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: I love those proofreading features, and the new default layout for a book's pages and TOC.  Wikisource is becoming AWESOME. Do we have PGDP contributors who can weigh on on how similar the processes are?  Is there a way

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-23 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Jun 23, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote: One thing we can do would be to make contributors' names more visible. Translators for WMF stuff too (Ting Chen made a good point about the latter in Alexandria). Many websites gives clear credits to contributors - not only

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: change of registered TMs in Persian wikipedia

2010-06-10 Thread Andre Engels
I think that we cannot decide this for you, this is typically something you (that is, the Persian Wikipedia community) have to decide themselves. Having said that, the best strategy in my opinion would be to do whatever is usual in Persian texts - which might well be different for different

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 10:42 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, When you look where what languages have their biggest audience, you will be surprised. The notion of most likely languages is either based on such statistics or it is only guess work. The best performance is

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-04 Thread Andre Engels
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 3:54 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Is that possible without putting WMF lawyers in a tight spot? Sometimes. Sometimes not. (The issue is not so much putting lawyers in a tight spot as it is one of making WMF more vulnerable, e.g., by revealing defense

Re: [Foundation-l] Another board member statement

2010-05-12 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:05 AM, stevertigo stv...@gmail.com wrote: Kat Walsh k...@wikimedia.org wrote: Commons should not be a host for media that has very little informational or educational value This is too broad. Confine the scope toward dealing with what does not belong, rather than

Re: [Foundation-l] Commons:Sexual content

2010-05-11 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 8:02 PM, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/05/2010 05:51, Andre Engels wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:23:28AM +0200, Andre Engels wrote

Re: [Foundation-l] Commons:Sexual content

2010-05-10 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:23:28AM +0200, Andre Engels wrote: Being educational should be just another word for being in scope, and in scope are, in my opinion, in the first place those files that are usable

Re: [Foundation-l] Removing questions about me and my role from this discussion

2010-05-09 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:59 AM, Alec Conroy alecmcon...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 5:46 AM, Jimmy Wales jwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: I've just now removed virtually all permissions to actually do things from the Founder flag. I appreciate this step, but the community has now

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

2010-05-09 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 7:09 AM, K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Bugzilla 982[1]  MediaWiki should support ICRA's PICS content labeling. From my understanding without reading much about it, It [ICRA] is ment to be a international or at least a standard for these things which most

Re: [Foundation-l] Commons:Sexual content

2010-05-09 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: Okay, I've complained a lot, time to give something back. I think I've managed to create a sexual content policy that's consistent with the core values of commons and previous decisions, such as the artworks of Muhammed,  

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: It wasn't a response -- I hadn't read your comment yet.  But when I did see your comment, I thought it missed the point that Fox was always going to congratulate itself on its story, regardless of what we did or didn't do in

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-08 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 7:10 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:56 AM, Andre Engels andreeng...@gmail.com wrote: So instead we just give in to them? We get attacked and decide to just sit up like a good dog? No one is acting like a good dog. Bad metaphor. When

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-04-01 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 2:28 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Guys, Lets get back to one point : terms of service. We are talking about copyright here the whole time, but the contract agreement in the terms of service are much more binding, they override

Re: [Foundation-l] Copyrighted maps and Derived works from copyrighted sources.

2010-03-31 Thread Andre Engels
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:19 PM, James Alexander jameso...@gmail.com wrote: I would say claiming copyright on a map is legitimate but I think the big issue here is the geotag's themselves (i.e the locations) since so many people use google maps or another tool to find the geo location. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 2:36 AM, The Cunctator cuncta...@gmail.com wrote: No, this is a profoundly stupid decision that has no logical sense. A free license is a copyright license. So? What does that have to do with the post you are quoting, or anything else in this thread? On Mon, Mar 29,

Re: [Foundation-l] Swedish Wikipedians removes Wikimedia logos

2010-03-30 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:58 AM, Przykuta przyk...@o2.pl wrote: Or just use common sense that it's silly for a Wikimedia project to say it's not allowed to use a logo own by Wikimedia Foundation It is not common sense to depend on the relationship between the project and the hosting

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikipedia-l] Please HELP save Wikipedia history ! (urgent)

2010-02-21 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 12:15 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: While I don't agree that we need to take this away from the community and hand it to a team of lawyers, I must say that the practical training caught my eye. Would it be possible for the Foundation to get Mike--and other

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy on CNN

2010-01-19 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Jan 19, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/19 Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com: Hello dear people, there's something very very very special about the video at http://cnn.com/video/?/video/world/2010/01/19/ctw.connector.jimmy.wales.cnn You can

Re: [Foundation-l] Where do our readers come from?

2010-01-14 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 5:27 AM, Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote: Today I released 4 new reports, which all focus on: Where do our readers come from?  http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j http://tinyurl.com/yhdej3j Going through the countries, another remarkable result in my opinion is

Re: [Foundation-l] Where do our readers come from?

2010-01-14 Thread Andre Engels
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: Ziko van Dijk wrote: Thank you for the numbers, Erik! I wonder why 40 % of the visitors of ksh.WP (the dialect of Cologne) are from Japan. And why 25 % of the visitors of eu.WP (Basque) are from Poland? Bots? I think

Re: [Foundation-l] (no subject)

2010-01-03 Thread Andre Engels
On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 2:23 AM, C F shma...@gmail.com wrote: With 2 personal phone numbers? Nevermind it seems that one of them has the wrong area code (although I might be wrong), which suggests that the phone numbers were the only things intended for that email. Those are probably just their

Re: [Foundation-l] commercial use of wikipedia content

2009-12-27 Thread Andre Engels
On Sun, Dec 27, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Istvan Soos istvan.s...@gmail.com wrote: For the sake of example we would like to automatically convert the page content to a different text and different format (e.g. automatically create text extracts and compile it into a pdf document) and sell it as part

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009-12-16 Thread Andre Engels
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 4:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: We've advertised third party for-profits in the past with prominent matched donations notices before (albeit controversially). This isn't that different. As you say, that one was controversial and this one isn't that

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia and Environment

2009-12-13 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: How about moving the servers (5) from Florida to a cold country (Alaska, Canada, Finland, Russia) so that they can be used to heat offices or homes ? It might not be unrealistic as one may read such things as the solution

Re: [Foundation-l] Pedophilia and the Non discrimination policy

2009-11-28 Thread Andre Engels
On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 10:37 PM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Jake Wartenberg j...@jakewartenberg.com wrote: I am not talking about pedophilia activism, but instances where the individual in question is not disruptively editing. There are a

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