and the capacity to allow users to make nuanced
decisions about what they do and don't want to see. Why is this a
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, at this point, they've
probably made their arguments as well as they can. I don't think many
people are even reading the discussion any more.
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On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 7:59 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Yes, but that is not proof of what we as a community understand the
principle to mean, it means the board is on crack.
That's not a helpful contribution to this discussion.
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on this argument should have an
understanding of this. In my opinion it's worth giving a simple way
for people to avoid 90% of the things that they might be offended by.
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portion
(that may or may not be exactly 90%) of the problem by offering
readers the opportunity to hide a small number of categories that
people commonly don't want to see.
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If I may be so blunt. What part of non-negotiable don't people quite grasp?
I'm not sure I understand. Could you tell me what you think is non-negotiable?
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On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:10 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Andrew Garrett wrote:
My point is about quick wins. We can attack a large portion
(that may or may not be exactly 90%) of the problem by offering
readers the opportunity to hide a small number of categories that
people
On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:16 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 October 2011 14:14, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, let's make sure that in any implementation of an image filter
that does go ahead, we've thought through and addressed each of those
consequences
On Fri, Sep 16, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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Too bad Wikimedia TOS still labors under the misapprehension that the
licence doesn't mean what it says.
Can you be specific, to make this into actionable feedback?
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different article content for every country or point of view, then I
think you'd be justified in bringing this up.
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, but
there are plenty of people for whom it's more than just a 'preference'
based on some cultural norm that you don't agree with because you're
modern and you transcend cultural taboos. But I'd wager that, in
general, (if you get away from Wikipedians) you're in the minority.
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; that it
shows how deep are our fears to face the real world. But, as we said,
we've learned the lesson and we'll try to face reality, no matter how
painful it is. That's our job, as we are the leaders of Wikimedia
movement.
Could we not?
This isn't very useful to anybody.
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about taking into account the visual preferences of readers
(click to show images like that to avoid being surprised) while still
recognising that such images are usually of high quality and have a
valid educational use.
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of what's in and what's
out of various categories, and it's not possible to make that
completely objective. But that doesn't mean it's not a useful or
worthwhile exercise.
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for people who are globally blocked. You
fall into one of these categories, and you received the email despite
your ineligibility for this reason.
My apologies for the confusion and inconvenience.
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[2] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_nomail_list
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there, at least [1].
Sorry, that list doesn't accept regular expressions. It's a straight
list of account names, which, until yesterday, had to go through about
twenty minutes of preprocessing before it was useful.
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? :-)
http://wikitech.wikimedia.org/view/SecurePoll#Email_spam
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projects.
There were checks for regular blocks, but none for global blocks. I
figured (inaccurately as it turns out) that globally blocked accounts
were unlikely to qualify. :-)
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accounts were excluded, but I didn't globally exclude them.
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filter them for duplicates
manually :-).
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Wikipedia.
It's looking like global bots which aren't flagged everywhere are an
edge case that should be addressed next time around.
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that Wikimedia
means the latter, but I can see why somebody might be interpreting it
as the former, since the latter reads a bit more into the words.
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revert an edit in one
click (and requests for adminship that count the number of times you
do so) people are going to click the button instead of fixing
templates.
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are harassed in the long term, rather than the newer users
who don't get a chance to be harassed in the long term because they
pick up and leave straight away.
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Virgilio:
Your userpage claims you speak American English at an en-4 near-native
level. Want to try again?
Your messages are deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to
boot. Cut it out, please.
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until fairly recently.
We might be growing, but I don't think anybody in the industry would
hesitate to say that we're still small and running on a shoestring
budget. The websites that we compete with run budgets in the hundreds
of millions to billions of dollars.
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, without going through the bureaucratic quagmire of requiring
chapter approval for each special region. The rest of the world is missing
out on the best that they can do.
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to be funny, but could you not?
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for the better.
I'm also a huge, huge fan of these new banners. When can we get them in
Australia? :-)
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of the mission statement, how much of a stretch is acceptable?
Shockingly, making decisions like this does not necessarily involve
reasoning, but judgement. Yes, the answers are not simple and logical
— because you have to weigh the costs against the benefits.
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suspicions are correct, it's not going to be the biggest day of the
fundraiser, either.
So congratulations, and keep up the good work! I and many others will
be watching and hoping that you can make our launch day a Million
Dollar Monday.
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On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:44 PM, Ashar Voultoiz hashar+...@free.fr wrote:
On 02/11/10 15:03, Andrew Garrett wrote:
snip
If you wrote it before I rewrote the preferences system in 2009, then
it is out of date.
Since it use the internal abstraction layer, I would expect it to still
be working
directory and would need a shell access to run:
maintenance/userOptions.php --usage
On my development Wiki the output is:
Usage for ccmeonemails (default: '0'):
1 user(s): '1'
If you wrote it before I rewrote the preferences system in 2009, then
it is out of date.
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they travel.
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there are public. I
just checked and it seems it would stack ok with individuals' custom
editnotices for their talk page.
Please no. We have more than enough annoying boxes on Wikipedia as it is.
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and months to give a clue on activity in
different times; and text/plain vs. html given the frequent discussions
there are on this topic. :-p
It's probably easier to strip them entirely before pushing them into the
generator, rather than using them as stopwords.
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only hope that some day we all become just as sensitised to the
clutter we put on the site ourselves ;-).
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into the page. Then we don't need
to get hung up on the syntax, except for readability's sake.
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are forfeit,
and the rights devolved to some general class of whiners and moaners
with an inflated sense of entitlement.
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I don't know why you bothered putting him on moderation if you were
just going to forward all of his emails to the list. Please, keep the
discussion off this list, in order to prevent the disruption which you
sought to limit by placing Jeffrey on moderation.
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me later., but perhaps to
discuss it with them first and find a compromise. There's an
imperative to listen and respond to community feedback, but quietly
changing somebody else's code against their explicit wishes is not a
good way to make your point.
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, then the stated reason for removal would be in serious need of
urgent review.
I won't speak for the Foundation, but my understanding is that sampled
click-rates were measured on the live site, so it would have been a
representative sample of our visitors.
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development
in general.
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already.
If you simply enjoy writing unhelpful and toxic comments about other
people's work, then I suggest you refrain from sending them, or send
them to somebody else.
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parser functions and the page_props table in an afternoon, taking no
more than a week to tweak and review.
If you want this functionality, you should look at implementing it, or
you should lobby the Foundation to support it with staff developer
time.
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an ideal situation. We should have a situation in which
Jimmy's technical power derives from the authority of the board of
trustees or from a community mandate, or we should have a situation in
which Jimmy does not have unlimited technical power.
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On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 10:33 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote:
This isn't an ideal situation. We should have a situation in which
Jimmy's technical power derives from the authority of the board of
trustees
.
The *ONLY* rating and classification system that I can support is a
descriptive one. That is, it describes the nature of the content, and
allows humans or computers to filter it accordingly. The
infrastructure would be technically simple.
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use gmail. And if you're relying on people's mail clients
hiding the original text, why don't you just remove it so that it goes
away for everyone?
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for dealing with these images, not legal ones.
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