Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:33 PM, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: I doubt the local basement startup band actually needs to distribute 5MB songs over a p2p network. That the bandwidth used would hardly trouble their hosting site. Its such nonsense by Nesson and others at PK and the EFF

Re: [Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against copyleft

2010-06-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:56 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: about the relationship between the fundraising campaign and actual lawmaking. That's not entirely your fault, since the writer threw in some filler about the activity of an administrative agency, apparently because this

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy one language - one Wikipedia

2010-06-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I strongly disagree. There is a big difference between simple language and simple concepts. Children need simple concepts (basically, you can't assume as much prior knowledge because they haven't had time to learn

Re: [Foundation-l] Reconsidering the policy one language - one Wikipedia

2010-06-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 5:17 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 24, 2010 at 4:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: If you don't have a strong background in a field then drinking from the fire hose of full-complexity concepts is hard no matter if you

Re: [Foundation-l] Gmail - List messages flagged as spam

2010-06-18 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: This will NOT get things out of spam that are already in it, though. Search for in:spam to:lists.wikimedia.org to find them and Not Spam them manually. Gah! The search result for that gives me _thousands_ of

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 11:08 PM, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think scapegoating Wikipedia's gender imbalances to biological differences is especially helpful. And the suggestion that it may not be possible to dumb-down Wikipedia enough to attract women is ridiculous

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jun 18, 2010 at 1:00 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: counter argument in a respectful discussion between colleges we build If I can't even manage to say colleague without screwing it up, how can we assume that anything I say was an insult to anything and not just some kind

Re: [Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

2010-06-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:26 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: There's been discussion of the gender gap among Wikimedia editors on and off for many years now, and it's a focus of the strategic planning process. This is a part of a larger issue of how to get members of

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 2:24 AM, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: On 2 Jun 2010, at 22:51, Gregory Maxwell wrote: A tiny benefit to a hundred million people wouldn't justify making wikipedia very hard to use for a hundred thousand Can you justify that the change has now made it very

Re: [Foundation-l] hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2

2010-06-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jun 2, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Hello, For part 1, see [1]. In his reply to User experience feedback [2], Howief says: the language links were used relatively infrequently based on tracking data. Is there any data about their usage since

Re: [Foundation-l] Jay Walsh's statement

2010-06-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:25 AM, Adam Cuerden cuer...@gmail.com wrote: With respect, the work on the Sexual Content proposal as pretty much thrown out all of Jimbo's work, and is proceeding from a direction [snip] You're linking to something from May 17th. It would be much more productive to

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:34 AM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: So I think it's fine if the name has a positive connotation. And that connotation should be we're countering inappropriate edits, not we assume that everything's okay, but we'll humor the concerns. Of course, I'm not

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 10:21 AM, William Pietri will...@scissor.comwrote: That did cross my mind, and it was tempting. But practically, many busy journalists, causal readers, and novice editors may base a lot of their

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:08 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: casual reader, it might as well be called the Hyperion Frobnosticating Endoswitch.  It will be a blank slate as far as journalists and the world

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, I'm preparing a patch against FlaggedRevs which includes changes that Howie and I worked on in preparation for the launch of its deployment onto en.wikipedia.org .  We started first by creating a style guide

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I have created a poster suitable for distribution to journalists http://myrandomnode.dyndns.org:8080/~gmaxwell/flagged_protection.png I have revised the graphic based on input from Andrew Gray and others. http

Re: [Foundation-l] Renaming Flagged Protections

2010-05-21 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 5:38 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: implementation, and there's no flagging in the proposed configuration. Additionally, protection in our world implies no editing whereas this [snip]   - Must not introduce obsolete terminology (e.g. there's no flagging in  

Re: [Foundation-l] Google open sources VP8 - WebM

2010-05-19 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 19, 2010 at 5:18 PM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote: WebM is a new open source video codec; That's interesting with a BSD-ish license; Ok, that's amazing Google did it; That's huge. The question to this esteemed community is thus: Shall we start using it? :-) Careful

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:37 AM, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for this deep analysis. While claiming that we should not compromise any of the principles, you didn't address directly the possibility that we won't reach everybody if we don't compromise. Reaching every human is a

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 12:43 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 6:32 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I think you missed it because it wasn't really discussed before as part of the vector update... right? I admit I didn't read all the announcements,

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Kalan kalan@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 22:44, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: We've seen a lot of comments about the size of the puzzle globe, and I don't disagree that it might benefit from being increased in size slightly.  I feel

Re: [Foundation-l] Legal requirements for sexual content -- help, please!

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 9:25 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure the presence or absence of a legal imperative is fully relevant to the underlying question. The Commons project has a moral responsibility to take reasonable steps to ensure that subjects of sexually explicit media

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] However, I also see the issue from another frame that is not part of Tim's spectrum.  Sexual photographs, especially those of easily recognized people, have the potential to exploit or embarrass the people in them.  

[Foundation-l] On Wikimania locations

2010-05-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Wikimania 2011 has come, yet again another location in the middle-east. It seems to me that every major populated geographic region has a multitude of sites which could create viable wikimania candidacies— and this has certainly been supported by the past applications. A leading application

Re: [Foundation-l] Along with Vector, a new look for changes to the Wikipedia identity

2010-05-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Jay Walsh jwa...@wikimedia.org wrote: It seemed like an opportune moment to take our 2D globe, lovingly created by WP user:Nohat and improved/modified a cast of many other volunteers back in 2003, and take it to a truly 3D object.  If we were going to

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:48 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] But more generally, yes I suppose I may be overstating. Studying religious views on sex and pornography is interesting, because those views align closely with the laws and norms of wider society. Unlike wider

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening

2010-05-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I just had a thought -- what if it were possible for a user to categorically block views of any images that are not linked to in any project's article pages?  Presumably, those Commons images that are found in articles are

[Foundation-l] Commons: An initial notice to reduce surprises

2010-05-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#An_initial_notice_to_reduce_surprises ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

[Foundation-l] Appropriate surprise (Commons stuff)

2010-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
I thought it might be useful to here if I shared some of my experiences with commons. Like many people I've had the experience of bumping into a human sexuality related commons category or gallery and thinking Holy crap! Thats a lot of [gallery name]. Freeking teenage pornofreaks!. But unlike

Re: [Foundation-l] Potential ICRA labels for Wikipedia

2010-05-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 9:24 AM, Derk-Jan Hartman d.j.hart...@gmail.com wrote: This message is CC'ed to other people who might wish to comment on this potential approach --- Dear reader at FOSI, As a member of the Wikipedia community and the community that develops the software on which

Re: [Foundation-l] The Fox Article

2010-05-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 2:55 AM, teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com wrote: Would it stand any chance to file against Foxnews for slaunder? It seems they are also actively approaching organizations who donated support to wikimedia. The recent mass deletions have made it harder to refute their

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Sydney Poore sydney.po...@gmail.com wrote: I fully endorse every aspect of Mike Godwin's comment. The Boards statement makes it clear that their view is that Community discussion is needed to find long term solutions to the issue. And that not censored should

Re: [Foundation-l] Board members positions toward Jimmy's last action

2010-05-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: I don't disagree, but I meant what I said about *single* most important issue! And I'm not sure that's how I'd frame it. The board statement seemed pretty clear; reaffirming existing policy. I guess it depends a bit on

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 1:07 PM, David Levy lifeisunf...@gmail.com wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: I don't think this is a technical issue at all.   Considering how flexible and reversible wiki-actions are, it seems eminently appropriate to me for the project founder to have 'unlimited technical

Re: [Foundation-l] Statement on appropriate educational content

2010-05-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 4:04 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: It comes down to the size of the tent. If you want students in Saudi Arabia to be able to use Wikipedia it has to be structured one way. If you want to please gay college students you structure it another way. [snip] The

Re: [Foundation-l] Reflections on the recent debates

2010-05-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 5:02 PM, Victor Vasiliev vasi...@gmail.com wrote: Think future, not past. Think project, not Jimmy. We do think future: if Jimmy had already carelessly intervened twice and caused controversies both time, how can we except the story will not repeat. We do think

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
When I heard that Jimmy had taken an axe to explicit images on commons, I thought it was good news as I've been frustrated and disappointed by my own inability to convince the commons community that some things, like the bulk copying of erotic imagery from flickr— hundreds of images with little to

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Techman224 techman...@techman224.com wrote: It has come to my attention that the Wikimedia Foundation through its Office actions policy removed and oversighted the signing keys for Texas Instruments calculators under a DMCA takedown notice on October 7, 2009.

Re: [Foundation-l] Texas Instruments signing key controversy

2010-03-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 7:49 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 3 March 2010 12:28, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Wikipedia is not a dumping ground for your copyfight.  There is plenty of reason to exclude this material regardless of the copyright/legal concerns

[Foundation-l] Wikimedia crosses 10Gbit/sec

2010-01-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Today Wikimedia's world-wide five-minute-average transmission rate crossed 10gbit/sec for the first time ever, as far as I know. This peak rate was achieved while serving roughly 91,725 requests per second. This fantastic news is almost coincident with Wikipedia's 9th anniversary on January 15th.

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia crosses 10Gbit/sec

2010-01-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: Today Wikimedia's world-wide five-minute-average transmission rate crossed 10gbit/sec for the first time ever, as far as I know. This peak rate was achieved while serving roughly 91,725 requests

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Secret Santa … and Env ironment

2009-12-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 6:51 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Wikimedians, Austin and I thought it might be fun to have a Secret Santa New Year's drawing among Wikimedia friends! We're basing it on the MetaFilter community Secret Santa drawing, which has 256 participants

Re: [Foundation-l] advertising craigslist

2009-12-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Geni is speaking of the huge banner on Enwp at the moment featuring Craig of craigslist. Hit reload a few times if you haven't seen it. It links to a clearly spoken statement of support for wikipedia. To avoid you haivng to click and goofing up the counters, here is what it says: I'm a proud

Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?

2009-10-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: Why would you even ask that question, let alone expect an answer? Last I checked, no Wikimedian also carried the title of majority shareholder or anything close. You're not entitled to sordid details of personnel management. Try

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia meets git

2009-10-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 4:38 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: There are ways to optimize all of this. Most users will not want to download the full history. Then why are you using git? ___ foundation-l mailing

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader

2009-10-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
-- Forwarded message -- From: Sean Moss-Pultz s...@openmoko.com Date: Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 1:51 AM Subject: [openmoko-announce] WikiReader To: annou...@lists.openmoko.org, List for Openmoko community discussion commun...@lists.openmoko.org Dear Community! Today, with the

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-10-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Happy-melon happy-me...@live.com wrote: [snip] It's not just that.  On a technological level, considerable sections of the FlaggedRevs code are called on *every* page view, whether the page has FlaggedRevs behaviour or not.  Even if it's eventually saying no,

Re: [Foundation-l] Consensus on Meta for suspecting every volunteer of abuse ?

2009-09-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Sep 30, 2009 at 2:49 PM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote:  So, should we find a term that is suitable for all six billion people on this planet, or should we covertly prefer users who are curious enough to just click on that link to find out what's behind it? Obviously

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] plan, and Brion is hoping to invest some of his remaining time with it in helping to get the extension ready for en.wp. It's not trivial: The scalability concerns at that size are a step more serious than with

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: and we're also concerned about the potential negative impact on participation. Please help me understand the implications of this statement. It simply means that a) we want to make sure that for the production roll-out,

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:30 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: Gregory, To address: My leading hypothesis were either that the staff was incredibly overloaded with new initiatives like usability and strategywiki...WMF's priorities have become so warped due to petitioning by

Re: [Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-28 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Sep 28, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: Of course. But I wasn't expecting a turn up on English Wikipedia yet. I'm asking why the 25 lines of configuration that EnWP specified have not yet been added to the test wiki at

[Foundation-l] Status of flagged protection (flagged revisions) for English Wikipedia.

2009-09-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
its commitments on high impact community initiatives? Thank you for your time and consideration. -- Forwarded message -- From: Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com Date: Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org Status? To: Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] It's not article count, it's editors

2009-09-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote: Examples are: article views per hour, unique visitors, percentage of potential audience reached (unique visitors per million speakers). All of Why are people without computers or reasonable access to computers

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial, Is Wikpedia non commercial?

2009-09-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 12:55 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: I would like a professional opinion on the question : Better stated, I would like your opinion on this, if it is not off topic.    Is wikipedia non commercial or commercial non profit? Is

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial, Is Wikpedia non commercial?

2009-09-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:04 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: It makes no difference. Wikipedia licenses everything on for commercial use. As you cannot relicense someone else's work, you cannot use a NC license worked. Most NC licensees probably wouldn't mind wikipedia reusing stuff,

Re: [Foundation-l] Creative Commons publishes report on defining Non-commercial

2009-09-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:19 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: You can't combine a CC-BY work with a CC-BY-SA work without either imposing a SA limitation on the CC-BY work, Which anyone can do when combining CC-By and CC-By-SA works by others. (If you don't want people adding random

Re: [Foundation-l] The $1.7 million question

2009-09-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:47 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] The key question is whether the full history dump was ever considered to be a project that needs WMF funding to be allocated, as opposed to letting it be solved by the normal open source model. Post the root

Re: [Foundation-l] open IRC meeting w/ Wikimedia Trustees: this Friday, 1800 UTC

2009-09-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:26 PM, Samuel J Kleins...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] Speaking of which, I'm also looking for someone to organize the minutes.  [NB: you don't have to be present during the chat to do this.]  Again, pls contact me off-list. Doesn't the board have a role designated to

Re: [Foundation-l] open IRC meeting w/ Wikimedia Trustees: this Friday, 1800 UTC

2009-09-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipe...@verizon.net wrote: It does, but this is not an official meeting for the board to conduct business, it's a meeting to provide people in the community with a chance to have a discussion with the new board members. As such, I'm not sure it's

[Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
In the thread WMF seeking to sub-lease office space? On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Austin Hairadh...@gmail.com wrote: (to Gregory Kohs) [snip]  I've placed you on indefinite moderation with the goal of improving the signal:crazy ratio. With something like 40 posts made to that thread after

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: foundation-announce-l

2009-08-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 8:12 PM, Benjamin Leesemufarm...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: I propose the foundation-announce-l mailing list be set up with the following posting rules: 1) One post per person per thread.  That includes the

Re: [Foundation-l] Frequency of Seeing Bad Versions - now with traffic data

2009-08-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 8:24 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/28 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 4:58 AM, Anthonywikim...@inbox.org wrote: It seems to me to be begging the

Re: [Foundation-l] Raw data of 2009 Board election ballots

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Tim Starlingtstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Let me say for the record that I'm not at all happy with this data being released, since it allows vote-buying. Even if the numbers given Although I was trying to avoid advertising it in public this was something I'm

Re: [Foundation-l] Raw data of 2009 Board election ballots

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: This kind of fear mongering attitude is why we can't allow more members of the community to vote. You'd rather spread FUD about vote buying than design a system that allows the largest number of community members to vote.

Re: [Foundation-l] Raw data of 2009 Board election ballots

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:13 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: The reason we let such a tiny fraction of the community vote is because of an irrational and inflated fear of fraudulent votes. The risk has been blown entirely out of proportion and absolutely no technical measures have

Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Guillaume Paumierguillom@gmail.com wrote: [snip] It is very common for members of the board of a non-profit organisation to donate money to support this organisation. It was my understanding that the appointment was of Matt Halprin, not the Omidyar Network.

Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:36 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: I hedged my language because I don't believe it is that simple.  I do believe the money and the seat are linked, but I don't believe just Thats quite fair, however: anyone could buy a seat for $2M.  For example, I doubt Mr.

Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:52 PM, Casey Brownli...@caseybrown.org wrote: On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 3:48 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I think that fits the definition of sell, others may disagree but it is semantics and is unimportant. Is it unimportant?  We're discussing how

Re: [Foundation-l] Why can't we have $12.5 million for Wikispecies?

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 9:30 PM, John Vandenbergjay...@gmail.com wrote: And yet ... this is what every successful wiki does.  Wikipedia is extremely structured.  The writers are not always expected to know the structure; gnomes do the tidying up. You must have an enormously different idea of

Re: [Foundation-l] Expert board members - a suggestion

2009-08-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 10:24 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: I think part of the problem is that there were some odd ideas about how the Advisory Board would work. For example, it has a chair. I can't work out why. Why would the advisory board ever meet as a group? Being an

Re: [Foundation-l] Raw data of 2009 Board election ballots

2009-08-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 1:59 PM, Gregory Kohsthekoh...@gmail.com wrote: I wonder what takes so long to upload a small data file? http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Board_elections/2009/Votesoldid=1606753 Let's see... August 25 minus August 12 equals nearly two weeks of delay (and

[Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation SAN FRANCISCO and REDWOOD CITY, Calif., Aug. 25 /PRNewswire/ -- Omidyar Network today announced a grant of up to $2 million over two years to the Wikimedia Foundation, the non-profit organization that operates Wikipedia, one of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Omidyar Network Commits $2 Million Grant to Wikimedia Foundation

2009-08-25 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 4:12 PM, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I'm curious about... Why did this announcement come from Greg? I simply saw it on PRNewswire and figured folks here would appreciate seeing it. I have no clue why it wasn't already posted here but the coordination of

Re: [Foundation-l] How much of Wikipedia is vandalized? 0.4% of Articles

2009-08-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 6:06 AM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] When one downloads a dump file, what percentage of the pages are actually in a vandalized state? Although you don't actually answer that question, you answer a different question: [snip] approximations:  I considered

Re: [Foundation-l] How much of Wikipedia is vandalized? 0.4% of Articles

2009-08-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 12:46 PM, Jimmy Walesjwa...@wikia-inc.com wrote: [snip] Greg, I think your email sounded a little negative at the start, but not so much further down.  I think you would join me heartily in being super grateful for people doing this kind of analysis.  Yes, some of it

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects opened

2009-08-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote: Kaare Olsen wrote: What I think is the primary reason for the Danish Wikipedia being much smaller than the neighbouring languages is that Danes generally are internationally minded and pride themselves on being good at

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects opened

2009-08-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Svipsvi...@gmail.com wrote: But that's without mentioning the horrible state of the localisation in general:  Wrong context translations, just wrong translations and many spelling errors. Contextual errors I can understand, figuring out all the right contexts

Re: [Foundation-l] Missing audio of WMF Board candidates

2009-08-19 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 12:15 PM, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] certainly see why it would be frustrating for him: he's much more reasonable in voice chat than over text, and if the audio were widely circulated it's possible he would have come in a few places higher in the election.

Re: [Foundation-l] Question to post...

2009-08-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: Aryeh Gregor wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Cox, Seritaserita@bridgespan.org wrote: Google's new search engine, Caffeine, is supposedly kicking Wikipedia entries further down results page. Thoughts?

Re: [Foundation-l] Question to post...

2009-08-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Cox, Seritaserita@bridgespan.org wrote: Google's new search engine, Caffeine, is supposedly kicking Wikipedia entries further down results page. Thoughts? Comments? http://software.silicon.com/applications/0,39024653,39484015,00.htm [from my comments in

Re: [Foundation-l] Question to post...

2009-08-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:09 PM, David Goodmandgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Perhaps we should try using the titles for things that other people use--not for g-rank, but as signs that we recognize that an encyclopedia is made for the readers. Eh— It's unsolvable in some cases... People frequently

[Foundation-l] Hotlinked images Was: GLAM-WIKI report

2009-08-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Tim Starlingtstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] Brianna Laugher was receptive to the idea of having Wikimedia projects hotlink or cache images from galleries. So there have been a number of statements against doing something like this, but (unsurprisingly) I

[Foundation-l] PARC Was: Election Results

2009-08-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 3:07 PM, Steven Wallingsteven.wall...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] Thoughts? Am I being too nervous, or do others see that potential too? I didn't. Speaking of PARC, does anyone have any contacts with them? I wrote asking about how they removed vandalism from their revert

Re: [Foundation-l] Election Results

2009-08-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Pavlo Shevelopavlo.shev...@gmail.com wrote: A full pairwise defeats table will be posted shortly. Would you please add detailed statistic summary (number of people voted, %% of eligible wikipedians, dice and slice of those to projects groups etc.) ? ... I

[Foundation-l] Positive mention of Wikimedia sites in a web privacy study:

2009-08-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
This paper is making the rounds: http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1446862 This is a pilot study of the use of “Flash cookies” by popular websites. We find that more than 50% of the sites in our sample are using flash cookies to store information about the user. Some are using

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

2009-08-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Betsy Megas be...@strideth.com wrote: Due to an error in a script that was used to generate the list of authorized voters for this election, roughly 300 votes were cast by users who were not qualified based on the posted election rules (requiring that voters have made at least 600 edits before

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

2009-08-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:44 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm interested in knowing the nature of the error (understanding is the key to avoidance in the future!) I'd also like to know if any users were denied the ability to vote who should have been permitted on

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

2009-08-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 12:04 AM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/8/12 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com: It is my understanding that the parties incorrectly stricken previously were not contacted. I believe that an attempt should be made to contact stricken parties, even

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

2009-08-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Tim Starlingtstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: I'm interested in knowing the nature of the error (understanding is the key to avoidance in the future!) It was my fault, and it was pretty much identical to the error I made in 2007, where

Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:34 AM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Earlier today a number of adjustments were made to votes which had been previously struck in the election for Wikimedia Board of Trustees.  We believe the votes that are still struck are validly struck; if there

Re: [Foundation-l] Update on struck votes issue on SecurePoll

2009-08-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Casey Brownli...@caseybrown.org wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 4:35 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: And is there some data about those numbers from last elections? A page with a large number of stats[1] was linked from the Results[2] page last year.  

Re: [Foundation-l] Board election spamming

2009-08-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 2:38 AM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, This is a huge improvement over the last election where not all projects were targeted for this type of mail. As a result there is less bias in the system. So you can opt out if you do not want to receive an

Re: [Foundation-l] Voluntary self-regulation of multimedia service providers

2009-08-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 3:08 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 8:41 AM, private musingsthepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: Well yeah Milos - but we probably won't - will we! - Seems a bit silly. I was hoping we could have a thread about the principle of discussing /

Re: [Foundation-l] Upcoming tech hiring: CTO position split

2009-08-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:19 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: Our approach to job titles actually has an emerging basic pattern. :-) It's not 100% consistent because we sometimes have stuck with commonly used titles like Office Manager and General Counsel, but generally one we try to

Re: [Foundation-l] Two questions about the licensing update of media files

2009-08-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 12:49 PM, Michael Snowwikipe...@verizon.net wrote: [snip] I cannot fathom why you would limit media to being released only under the GFDL unless it was designed specifically for incorporation into a GFDL work. It's a documentation license, not a media license, and when

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Ryan Lomonacowiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: The rules did disenfranchise me, for example.  It doesn't bother me that I can't vote, but that said, I would've liked to vote if eligible.  I am not

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: The second sentence should read: There is no information in the current heuristic that indicates that editors who are allowed to vote are more or less familiar with the candidates than those who are not. Who says there

Re: [Foundation-l] CC attribution with cut'n'pasted text - Tynt's Tracer Tool

2009-07-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/24 Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu: In that case they can highlight the attribution and press backspace! Sure, but we shouldn't make it unnecessarily difficult for people to reuse our content and tidying up

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: Indeed, that's the reasoning behind the proposed approach. We don't want it to typically be changing constantly for an individual user. Yes, a sequential run does introduce various problematic biases. An IP-address based

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