with bad
penmanship?
More seriously, while a wiki may not be a social network for its own
sake, I do think it's worth emphasizing that collaboration depends on
some sort of human connection. Bots can be great tools to facilitate
work, but they do nothing to facilitate connections.
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be indiscriminately
republishing works acceptable to the regime while taking a much more
restrictive approach to works from a dissident perspective.
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strikes me that adding Mark as Helpful specifically to user talk
messages could be a good addition as well, assuming that the current
implementation indicates the feature has a positive impact.
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The sum total of human knowledge, and we can't find a decent spam filter.
No, that really is the sum total of human knowledge, expressed in
hexadecimal. I was pretty sure it would add up to more than 42.
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is required prior to conducting any
experiment, as that effectively defeats the ability to experiment.
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and notability.
In all respects, this was a very insightful analysis of the situation.
It's interesting to consider some of the unexpected tradeoffs involved
in taking different approaches to making an encyclopedia.
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and how long to carry on with it.
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problems when using this analogy, but they
aren't presenting themselves under the current circumstances.
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that if we were substantially closer to a neutral approach in
our coverage of these topics, there might be much less pressure around
the principle of resistance to censorship.
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to pedophiles. Were that the issue, I would have thought The
Brothers Lionheart a more obvious target, seeing as how it has young
boys bathing nude in a river (the scene is illustrated - child porn!),
and I've never heard of it being banned either.
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in their experience,
and to them it's akin to an attorney letting a client publish the
attorney's work product. I would guess that similar reasoning might
apply to the Fusco report.
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agency, while simultaneously being less able to claim what their
contribution was. It may make more sense to develop that capacity
internally, which is one thing the foundation has been trying to do as
it expands its staff.
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Wikipedia as a result - I think it reflects the uncertain position of
the community generally, which hasn't coalesced much around any
particular answer to those questions. I do hope the board continues
working on some of those issues.
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authority but merely
sit in with a chapter board. That's assuming that the chapter board
level is one of the places where it makes the most sense to add a
communication interface.
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, or Barry for all
Asian chapters (not that observers would necessarily have to be
Wikimedia board or staff). Again, I don't know that this is really the
best solution, but it's not completely impractical to arrange if such a
direction is chosen.
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such
language is or how extensively it would be interpreted with respect to a
chapter's overall activities. However, it doesn't change my point that
nonprofits can in fact engage in lobbying under US law.
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lobbying altogether out of an abundance of caution. What the foundation
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partisan activities, those are categorically prohibited.
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in function, so I'm skeptical as to what the
proposal would accomplish.
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On 8/6/2011 4:00 PM, Florence Devouard wrote:
On 8/6/11 1:36 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
On 8/5/2011 4:26 PM, John Vandenberg wrote:
On Sat, Aug 6, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Michael Snowwikipe...@frontier.com
wrote:
.. Honestly, I must say that it
is a colossal disappointment to find that with all
to find that with all the posts I've seen
both here and on internal-l, nobody has yet made a single edit to the
talk page on Meta where the letter was posted. Doesn't anybody here know
how to use a wiki?
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just wanted to point out that we have these recurring arguments about
the right mailing list to use, when we keep ignoring the arguably more
open and transparent forum we're all familiar with.
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out that way.)
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On 7/8/2011 11:15 AM, Nathan wrote:
Michael Snow, Sage Ross, HaeB... I think the WMF is conspiring against
the Signpost :-P
You could include Phoebe too, for that matter. I'm always impressed with
how much has been accomplished with the Signpost that I could never have
envisioned originally
. So I think there are
unresolved issues in terms of how much of the process can be delegated,
and how to more effectively delegate the parts that can be.
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On 6/22/2011 10:14 AM, MZMcBride wrote:
Michael Snow wrote:
I thought it was reasonably understandable, even without perfect
grammar, that Ting was saying that since Matt is no longer at Omidyar,
if your insinuation were true, when he left the foundation would have
needed to bring in someone
that they are not done - I'm certain people are
interested in seeing the full results matrix as well, so it would be
appreciated if they can release that at some point.
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I'm sorry, but I don't understand what distinction you're trying to
make. In this context, those look like synonyms to me.
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theoretical response, and without some
concrete examples to look at I don't really have much of an opinion on
which direction we should resolve the question. Nor have I tried to
consider how persuasive a court would find potential arguments on either
side.
--Michael Snow
apply to all of the existing
committees and establish a new base from which to develop the committee
system. Additional committees have been formed since then, but I would
consider all earlier committees dissolved unless their continued
function was acknowledged in that resolution.
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needed or inactive. The
fundraising committee isn't mentioned specifically, but I'm sure it was
no longer operational by that point.
--Michael Snow
Indeed, the fundraising committee is mentioned in the staff committees
section:
Past committees include the Technical Committee and Fundraising
it.
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the right person for that position on the
board. I would generally agree with much of David's advice as a matter
of theory, regardless of how familiar he is with actual current practice
at the foundation.
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:
Kaltura: SF? No.. NY
A big part of Kaltura's contribution was to sponsor the work of Michael
Dale, who works out of the San Francisco office, and who previously was
at the university in relatively nearby Santa Cruz.
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consolation is that as a movement built around online volunteers
worldwide, we are easy to find and never far away, no matter where you go.
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about things they aren't. Then we could focus more
on dealing with the drama on the projects themselves.
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initiatives that lead to a better community environment, as
that seems to be the dominant problem.
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On 3/1/2011 2:41 PM, Pronoein wrote:
Le 01/03/2011 18:31, Michael Snow a écrit :
On 3/1/2011 12:57 PM, Pronoein wrote:
If there is such a minority of ethical concerns, it could be one of the
reasons that volunteers are leaving the boat.
Based on the one survey of former contributors that has
in how we think about the position.
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substitute for having other qualifications that the foundation
needs for a position. Nor, as I expect current staff who started as
editors could confirm, is working for the foundation the solution to all
of your problems, just exchanging one set of challenges for another.
--Michael Snow
experience, it's actually mostly community members frustrated with
the quality of discussions who call it that. The staff avoid that kind
of tone, understandably, as it might seem unprofessional. Personally, I
prefer not to suggest that anyone is a troll, except for Domas (he likes
it).
--Michael
this, and if things follow the schedule I
would hope to see such a position relatively soon.
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to avoid any hint that such a website exists,
even to cover shipping terms or return policies. Unfortunately, this
philosophy also makes Amazon.com quite bad at standard practices for
giving credit where it is due. (And no, linking to IMDB doesn't count,
since they own it.)
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to
be built up for its own sake. Ask, rather, how your projects can help
with sharing knowledge and free culture. (Since that aligns with the
foundation's mission, I suppose it would help the foundation, but I
don't think asking that way motivates quite the same.)
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in those days. Seriously
though, this is absolutely fantastic news!
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on this,
but I find it embarrassing to have that position associated with
debating tactics like this. It's a perfect example of why it's often so
easy to dismiss our critics, when their approach involves such sleazy
argumentation.
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various advocates for a free press, free speech, and other civil
libertarians are so outraged at some of the government and corporate
tactics that have been used against Wikileaks in the past week or so.
--Michael Snow
On 12/9/2010 4:12 PM, MZMcBride wrote:
Michael Snow wrote:
Assuming good faith, I think it crossed a line as far as accuracy goes,
but being misguided or inartful hardly makes it sleazy.
Assuming good faith is what Newyorkbrad did when he suggested that it was
simply a typo
(he doesn't work in
accounting). That doesn't change the point that the and other
compensation includes rather significant expenses beyond simply base
salary, which is why hiring contractors involves a different
compensation structure.
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price for PediaPress, whether Brainbot
would sell, or whether that would be an appropriate use of funds in the
context of our mission and strategy - would people be okay with the
current placement of the service, including continuing to charge people
who order printed books?
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transition in its copyright
regime, that the public domain in the US has been stuck at works created
before 1923 for ages now.
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traffic
in and of itself, but it means there are fewer algorithms to tweak, for
good or ill.
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is not a great proposition
against which to sell advertising. Perhaps it should be no surprise that
this is so, considering that Wikipedia was not designed or built for the
purpose of being a great proposition against which to sell advertising.
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with.
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levels of agreement for
starting or shutting down a project? That would seem fair.
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great concepts, or none, I don't want us to
be bound to a quota. But if there's a basic altitude for achieving
launch, presumably losing too much altitude after launch would justify
shutting down before there's a crash.
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coverage in the humanities.
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, and no doubt people are welcome to inquire as to
its current status. But since I'm no longer privy to board
deliberations, I can't provide much insight on its perceived priority
relative to the larger strategic issues facing the board.
--Michael Snow
decline to pursue matters Sue has asked it to consider,
though I must say that in my experience Sue was very good at maintaining
an appropriate role relative to the board, and the idea of her diverting
the board's agenda from where the board wanted to go is purely an
imaginary problem.
--Michael
had is connected to the potential that it would lead to
an environment in which we can restore that ability for unregistered
contributors.
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, but for
many the lens is focused elsewhere anyway, and they are watching
different trees in the forest. Part of the challenge is figuring out
when and how it's appropriate to interpose corrective lenses to guide
people's energy in certain directions.
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because of the connotations of the name. This despite the fact
that I feel reasonably capable of navigating most bureaucracies (a skill
that has far more to do with whether someone can appreciate
bureaucracy than their nationality).
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On 9/25/2010 8:53 AM, Milos Rancic wrote
for someone to be obtuse and stubbornly fight ideas that are
generally accepted, something that for scientific questions shows up
primarily in the biggest-picture contexts where no one expert can
demonstrate or defend every last conclusion, topics like evolution or
global warming.
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is putting
those ideas into practice and I look forward to seeing the work of
Steven and future fellows.
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Hoping I am not straying too far off-topic.
You are. Are the Citizendium forum and mailing lists so completely dead
that issues with its articles cannot be discussed there?
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projects,
not just Wikipedia.)
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represented, and focus their energies on recruiting
more people who add real cognitive diversity. That's part of what the
board and the foundation are trying to do in the context of the
strategic plan.
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content is to provide a basis for new life and growth, which by
necessity must outgrow and cast off the shell in which the seed came. At
that point, trying to maintain or recreate the shell doesn't
particularly help further development.
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works from a rather larger picture.
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Spanish or Italian (not that those
Wikipedias need this kind of contribution from me anyway). If the tools
are being used indiscriminately, it might be best to persuade people
that they should work in areas they understand, not simply reject the
tool outright.
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that kind of performance. For now, it seems like the right thing for
chapters to focus on figuring out what they should be doing, and
learning from mistakes as they come up.
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, although we should certainly
keep an eye out for further developments in that regard. If that does
materialize, I'd be happy to speak out on it in a personal capacity,
whether or not the foundation is in a position to do so.
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copyleft and Creative Commons. I think the length of that sentence ought
to illustrate just how tenuous the connection is.
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It seems like we have yet to figure out if we can get the announcements
list to automatically copy messages here. But since the reply-to
function is at least set properly for this list, I'll take advantage of
it now to make sure the full original message is posted here as well.
--Michael Snow
Replying for the purpose of forwarding the original message, part two.
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On 6/23/2010 10:59 PM, Michael Snow wrote:
What is the purpose of the resolution?
The Board is asking its Executive Director to conduct a study, with the
goal of figuring out what to do about potentially
are the only options. It could
also use a namespace within the same domain, or take advantage of other
technical features like subpages, or be set up like a portal or
wikiproject, or other possibilities I haven't thought of.
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Thomas Dalton wrote:
On 24 June 2010 19:08, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
On 24 June 2010 07:20, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I
Victor Vasiliev wrote:
On 06/24/2010 10:20 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
4. We do expect material in our projects to be educational in nature,
and any material that is not educational should be removed.
I still believe such a statement imply that most of Wikisource content
consequences in reality.
That's before we even get into problems where gender is more obviously
implicated, like locker-room-type banter or casual objectification of
women. This is why I think it's so important for us to examine our
culture and figure out what we need to do to improve it.
--Michael Snow
that in the history of that page, it dates back to March 2006
and even then the original author was listed as unknown. That makes it
exactly the sort of quote that is easily misattributed to Winston
Churchill or Abraham Lincoln.
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structures needed to organize the board's own functions.
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.)
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susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Liam,
We're not (looking to set up a new data centre in Europe). We're planning a
second US data centre, likely in Virginia. Mark Bergsma's in the office this
week, leaving to scout out possibilities with Danese, tonight. They, or
someone else
that
staff shouldn't be discussing code, roadmaps, or rationales as widely
and openly as possible, but if for example I was qualified to review a
staff member's patch (which I'm not), I might want to think twice about
what audience gets that feedback.
--Michael Snow
Chad wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
...if for example I was qualified to review a
staff member's patch (which I'm not), I might want to think twice about
what audience gets that feedback.
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Why? If they're
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote:
The replies to my comment are missing the point. Sure, the developers
themselves need to be able to handle public criticism of their work,
just like wiki editors. But I was responding
On 6/9/2010 12:12 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Michael Snow wrote:
There have been a lot of red herrings brought up on all sides of that
issue. Use of images in a context that is on-topic and educational is
clearly one of those, although I would suggest that we can do better
On 6/6/2010 9:03 PM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
Michael Snow wrote:
Similarly, we know that the community population skews young and male.
That has important consequences, and some of those unfortunately
reinforce our lack of diversity. It's been pointed out what a
male-centric
factors), and it would accomplish very little without
significant improvements in our culture.
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of words. It is unlikely that any name will be
absolutely perfect for all use cases. Some degree of editorial judgment
and discretion will have to be applied, and that's exactly the purpose
of this discussion.
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On 7 May 2010 16:07, Kim Bruningk...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Fri, May 07, 2010 at 12:30:18PM -0700, Michael Snow wrote:
announce-l still has issues. The Board of Trustees has directed me to
release the following statement:
Just
my
earlier point: I really don't envision the board or the foundation going
against anything that amounts to a true consensus in the community.
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to reaffirm and support policy that
already exists. We encourage Wikimedia editors to scrutinize potentially
offensive materials with the goal of assessing their educational or
informational value, and to remove them from the projects if there is no
such value.
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multimedia supplements, and not poor substitutes for these.
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week's chapters and board meeting. Coming out of
that, I hope we will start to develop a better sense of fundamentally
who we are and what kinds of relationships we should create to better
develop the Wikimedia projects.
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the opportunity to do so. Part of the exercise
will undoubtedly be an inventory of current and possible roles.
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significantly. One of the first things a Governance
Committee would do is review which committees are needed, whether we
have them or not, what their responsibilities should be, composition and
so forth. More will be forthcoming as those recommendations are developed.
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