Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-21 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Noein wrote: > > If we cede to censorship, can we regain our loss of independance? If we > invite frivolous minds, can we educate them? If we give privileges to > experts, can we teach them to rescind them later? I think if we've learned anything, it is our abil

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-21 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 23:23, Keegan Peterzell wrote: > If you're never read it, you'd probably enjoy this article from the Journal > of American History penned by the late, great Dr. Roy Rosenzweig from June > 2006: > >

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-20 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:23 PM, Noein wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 20/06/2010 01:49, Milos Rancic wrote: > > * At another faculty we have a teaching assistant among Wikimedians. > > After two projects, we've concluded cooperation because students > > didn't qui

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-20 Thread Mariano Cecowski
--- El sáb 19-jun-10, Milos Rancic escribió: > Any idea how to improve their motivation? Considering how similar we Argentines are to the Serbs I would suggest to take a far less scientific approach: Motivate them to write about their home towns, football teams, favourite players, pop-singe

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-20 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 03:25, Pavlo Shevelo wrote: > But now it's standard for any site to have well-structured "facepages" > (profiles) to provide for academic the mean to: > * properly introduce himself/herself; > * get the idea about who is some other contri

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-20 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 20/06/2010 01:49, Milos Rancic wrote: > * At another faculty we have a teaching assistant among Wikimedians. > After two projects, we've concluded cooperation because students > didn't quite understand work on Wikipedia and started with > confrontat

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-19 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Hello James, It seems to me (moreover I'm quite sure) that nobody is talking about making content editing more complicate and/or about fancy and nasty distracting stuff like different "bells&whistles". But now it's standard for any site to have well-structured "facepages" (profiles) to provide fo

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-19 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Jun 20, 2010 at 1:16 AM, James Heilman wrote: > To attract academics this is and must be viewed as a serious endeavor. >  Yes some aspects such as reverting vandalism could have a fun twist > applied to them but the creation of content must remain simple and > serious.  Wikipedia already h

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-19 Thread James Heilman
To attract academics this is and must be viewed as a serious endeavor. Yes some aspects such as reverting vandalism could have a fun twist applied to them but the creation of content must remain simple and serious. Wikipedia already has a problem with its image regarding credibility. Things that

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-19 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I would support Gerard's point that Wikipedia needs to have strong community (social network in modern buzzwords) as all such projects are results of well coordinated effort of community (with work differentiation etc.) but not of chaotic crowd/horde of individuals. Common goal and work means com

Re: [Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-19 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, With due respect, the amount of wordage on our talk pages, IRC channels, mailing lists and even skype calls and conferences is such that I disagree with you. It is exactly because we do not foster communication that many people do not feel at home at Wikipedia. The first years of Wikipedia the

[Foundation-l] Encouraging participation

2010-06-19 Thread James Heilman
I have found some of the suggestions for increasing participation strange. Wikipedia is not a MMORG, it is not a social networking site, it is not a file/picture/video hosting service, it is an online encyclopedia. Some people like the first three. However trying to turn Wikipedia into a combina