Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal -- some proposed details ...

2011-02-27 Thread WJhonson
The problem with the approach that we can let the welcoming and friendliness be an emergent behaviour, is that we're already many years into this and it's simply... not. However the admin bit is an officially sanctioned method of enforcing rules. This is a lop-sided approach. To

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal -- some proposed details ...

2011-02-27 Thread Steven Walling
On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 2:39 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: The problem with the approach that we can let the welcoming and friendliness be an emergent behaviour, is that we're already many years into this and it's simply... not. However the admin bit is an officially sanctioned method of

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal -- some proposed details and a diagram

2011-02-26 Thread David Goodman
The actual work of helping new editors and monitoring quality does not require an admin, and most of the people doing it are not admins. The main thing I use admin tools for is to delete hopelessly unacceptable articles, but almost everything I delete has been spotted by a non-admin. However, most

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal -- some proposed details and a diagram

2011-02-26 Thread Marc Riddell
on 2/26/11 3:52 PM, David Goodman at dgge...@gmail.com wrote: The actual work of helping new editors and monitoring quality does not require an admin, and most of the people doing it are not admins. The main thing I use admin tools for is to delete hopelessly unacceptable articles, but almost

[Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal

2011-02-24 Thread Neil Harris
Thesis: The main reason why Wikipedia seems unfriendly to beginners is the reduction in the assumption of good faith. A lot of this could be resolved simply by creating large numbers of new admins. This should be done automatically. So why not just do it? Argument and proposal: Many admins

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal

2011-02-24 Thread Theo10011
On Thu, Feb 24, 2011 at 11:43 PM, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.ukwrote: Thesis: The main reason why Wikipedia seems unfriendly to beginners is the reduction in the assumption of good faith. A lot of this could be resolved simply by creating large numbers of new admins. This should be

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal

2011-02-24 Thread Raul Gutierrez
Harris Sent: Thursday, February 24, 2011 12:13 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal Thesis: The main reason why Wikipedia seems unfriendly to beginners is the reduction in the assumption of good faith. A lot of this could be resolved simply

Re: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal

2011-02-24 Thread Fred Bauder
24, 2011 12:13 PM To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Subject: [Foundation-l] Friendliness: a radical proposal Thesis: The main reason why Wikipedia seems unfriendly to beginners is the reduction in the assumption of good faith. A lot of this could be resolved simply by creating large