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From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example
[...] Wikipedia
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From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example
, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example
[...] Wikipedia is one of the
biggest websites in the world. Obviously that is not how the reality of
our
success is measured.
Of course not. The reality of its success would be: being
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From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
To: fredb...@fairpoint.net; Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
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Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How bureaucracy works: the example
If I understood well, Americans don't have such bad feelings toward
the word bureaucracy and its derivatives. In Europe it is different.
When I tell to Gerard that he is better bureaucrat than me, he feels
offended; although I thought about specific virtues, not defects; and
although I've defined
An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven:
Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the
right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k logo for
new Wikipedia edition (in Banjar) [1]. I wanted to find the right
copyright tag (logo is trademark of
While I support the idea that we should have a discussion about how to
manage and structure our bureaucratic elements, I think the distinction
posited between American and European perspectives is imaginary. As an
example, personally I have so far declined to accept bureaucrat status
largely
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven:
Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the
right button and the screen is small. I wanted to upload 20k logo for
new Wikipedia edition (in Banjar)
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:31, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote:
While I support the idea that we should have a discussion about how to
manage and structure our bureaucratic elements, I think the distinction
posited between American and European perspectives is imaginary. As an
An'n 25.09.2010 18:32, hett Milos Rancic schreven:
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:28, Marcus Buckm...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
An'n 25.09.2010 17:53, hett Milos Rancic schreven:
Today I am working from my netbook. It is not so easy to find the
right button and the screen is small. I wanted to
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for making it clear :) It seemed to me that there is less
antagonism toward bureaucracy among Americans.
Clearly, you have not had to sit through any of our political rhetoric,
which saves a special sort of venom for
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 19:47, Jim Redmond j...@scrubnugget.com wrote:
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 11:35, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for making it clear :) It seemed to me that there is less
antagonism toward bureaucracy among Americans.
Clearly, you have not had to sit through
If I understood well, Americans don't have such bad feelings toward
the word bureaucracy and its derivatives.
Wrong, the study of bureaucracy is considered by Americans to be a branch
of entomology, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Organizational_studies
Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that's
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 18:49, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote:
Okay. Could you elaborate on that? What do you think should be changed?
Which requirements are not well defined?
So far I don't understand where exactly you see the influence of bad
bureaucracy playing a role here.
Around
In a message dated 9/25/2010 12:10:38 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
fredb...@fairpoint.net writes:
Yes, it's hard to collaborate; that's why Wikipedia is considered
impossible by experts.
==
Hmm broad brush. I would say collaboration is considered hopeless to those
who think
I would however suggest that a good psychological profile question might
be, Have you ever worked on a government contract before?
W
Early on, I was in the Navy. Ignore all rules is enshrined in There is
the right way, the wrong way, and the Navy way which tells you to get it
done, rules
Hoi,
Please leave the experts alone, in their expert opinion Wikipedia is
impossible. In my observation Wikipedia does really well in attracting
people to read what we provide. So much so that Wikipedia is one of the
biggest websites in the world. Obviously that is not how the reality of our
Дана Saturday 25 September 2010 17:53:05 Milos Rancic написа:
So, I wanted to do that as I treat that as my responsibility. I filled
the form once again and I had to spend next ~15 minutes while trying
to upload the 20k logo: license is not correct, author is not correct,
this is not correct,
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