Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-03 Thread Lars Aronsson
Samuel Klein wrote (in two messages): *A wiki for book metadata, with an entry for every published work, statistics about its use and siblings, and discussion about its usefulness as a citation (a collaboration with OpenLibrary, merging WikiCite ideas) I could see this happening on

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-02 Thread Ray Saintonge
Andrew Gray wrote: 2009/8/1 John Vandenberg: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: Also... *A wiki for book metadata, with an entry for every published work, statistics about its use and siblings, and discussion about its usefulness as a citation (a collaboration with

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
I could see this happening on Wikisource. I mention it as another project because it would eventually involve importing and organizing freely available metadata on roughly ten million books, and defining a style guide for helping organizing citations and comments about each as a source -- very

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-02 Thread John Vandenberg
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 4:28 AM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: Andrew Gray wrote: 2009/8/1 John Vandenberg: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: Also... *A wiki for book metadata, with an entry for every published work, statistics about its use and siblings, and

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/7/31 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: On critical complex topics, the Foundation could benefit from more discussion and better planning.  Why have we made it so hard to start new Projects? I would suggest that we use

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-01 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: Also... *A wiki for book metadata, with an entry for every published work, statistics about its use and siblings, and discussion about its usefulness as a citation (a collaboration with OpenLibrary, merging WikiCite ideas)

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-01 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/8/1 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: Also... *A wiki for book metadata, with an entry for every published work, statistics about its use and siblings, and discussion about its usefulness as a citation (a collaboration

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-01 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
I was thinking particularly of ... Wikifamily (Rodovid), If you're thinking of _this_ Rodovid http://en.rodovid.org/ (frontend is http://rodovid.org/) I would strongly vote for that. It's really is useful for significant audiences, and implementable in an elegant way In fact it's

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Ryan Lomonacowiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: The rules did disenfranchise me, for example.  It doesn't bother me that I can't vote, but that said, I would've liked to vote if eligible.  I am not active on Wikipedia, but I do follow the mailing lists, and have

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hello, On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: I think that mailing lists posts should be treated as edits. Thank you; this sentence made my day. -- Guillaume Paumier [[m:User:guillom]] ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When we have consensus on that one, someone has to count them.. So what piority do we give it and, what do we bumb down the list ? Alternatively who is volunteering to write the necessary software anyway and how are we going to get it operational ?? PS I like the idea grin Thanks,

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Milos Rancic
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Guillaume Paumierguillom@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 8:40 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: I think that mailing lists posts should be treated as edits. Thank you; this sentence made my day. Thank you, too. We share our happiness with

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When it is agreed that people can vote based on their mail contributions, the one thing necessary is connecting people to their WMF user. When this information is available on a user, the global user may be made known as a voter. In my opinion you do not want to involve people when there is

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:52 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, When it is agreed that people can vote based on their mail contributions, the one thing necessary is connecting people to their WMF user. When this information is available on a user, the global user may be

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/7/31 Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.com: For me, the analogy is simple: just because you get a driver's license once doesn't entitle you to drive for the rest of your life. Unless you actively do something wrong and get disqualified, yes it does. The analogy works for not letting

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Dennis During
Right on. I detect ageism supplementing the recentism. But seriously folks, if fraud were the issue then confirmed identify would overcome the problem. The number-of-recent-edits criterion has two effects that bother me. 1. It effectively puts the vote firmly in the hands of producers not

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:40 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Ryan Lomonacowiki.ral...@gmail.com wrote: The rules did disenfranchise me, for example.  It doesn't bother me that I can't vote, but that said, I would've liked to vote if eligible.  I am not

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
You know, this comes up every year. And there's always good argument to both sides but there's never consensus to actually change it. There has been an election in one form or another since 2004, and except in 2004 where the requirement was having an account that is at least 3 months old or be

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Brian
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 10:50 AM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: You know, this comes up every year. And there's always good argument to both sides but there's never consensus to actually change it. There has been an election in one form or another since 2004, and except in 2004 where

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Philippe Beaudette wrote: I'm sure that if there is significant response to the edit count requirement, next year's committee will happily (he said confidently, with no intent to volunteer for next year's committee) review it then. LOL, how many have you been on now? :P There's no

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Brian
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:37 AM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: Allow me, please, to reinforce this, wearing my election committee member hat. This years' rules were mostly carryovers from last years' rules. When we started, we looked around, realized that no

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
Brian wrote: The WMF is a far cry from the original vision of it as a membership organization. Also, the board propagates stale laws under the notion of status quo for which the original consensus is no longer remembered. There is further no top down effort to ask the community if they have any

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Brian
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Kwan Ting Chan k...@ktchan.info wrote: Brian wrote: I'm going to take particular issue with the last point here. On 3 June *2008*, right after last year election, Jesse Plamondon-Willard (Pathoschild), one of last year election committee member, posted on

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Philippe Beaudette
On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Brian wrote: There is further no top down effort to ask the community if they have any good ideas, and then ask the community what they think about the best of those ideas. That, in my view, is a broken system. Really? Been to the strategic planning wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Brian
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Brian wrote: There is further no top down effort to ask the community if they have any good ideas, and then ask the community what they think about the best of those

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread phoebe ayers
Dear everyone, As a reminder, we also discussed suffrage requirements on this list last year: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-April/042105.html As a response to concerns over the proposed requirement that there be 50 edits between April and June before the election, this

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Brian wrote: There is further no top down effort to ask the community if they have any good ideas, and then ask the community what they think about the best of those ideas.

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:45 PM, phoebe ayersphoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear everyone, As a reminder, we also discussed suffrage requirements on this list last year: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-April/042105.html As a response to concerns over the proposed

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/7/31 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: On critical complex topics, the Foundation could benefit from more discussion and better planning.  Why have we made it so hard to start new Projects? I would suggest that we use the strategy call for proposals to re-surface some of the most important

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread geni
2009/8/1 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: * a wiki for the global community of makers to share designs and prototypes for both functional and entertaining objects, which is becoming increasingly important as fabbing facilities become commonplace; Commons could do this tomorrow if the blender

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/7/31 geni geni...@gmail.com: 2009/8/1 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org: * a wiki for the global community of makers to share designs and prototypes for both functional and entertaining objects, which is becoming increasingly important as fabbing facilities become commonplace; Commons

[Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
The Wikimedia Foundation was originally envisaged as a membership organization. Per my recollection, everyone who ever edited would become a member. That didn't happen for legal reasons, however, I believe in the spirit of it being a membership organization. Unfortunately we now subscribe to the

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Recentist? Ignoring the, ahem, fanciful language you've chosen, I'd like to throw my support behind the voting qualifications wholeheartedly. For me, the analogy is simple: just because you get a driver's license

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Recentist? Ignoring the, ahem, fanciful language you've chosen, I'd like to throw my support behind the voting qualifications

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: The second sentence should read: There is no information in the current heuristic that indicates that editors who are allowed to vote are more or less familiar with the candidates than those who are not. Who says there

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
I have no opinion on whether the rule should exist, but it is something that deserves to be looked at. There are valid reasons for requiring a minimum recent edit count, of course, but perhaps there are better ways to handle it. The rules did disenfranchise me, for example. It doesn't bother me