Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table, vs. Google's serving portion

2010-11-08 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Thank you, Michael, for your critical note on the assertations concerning the huge sums of money. I didn't stand still at the fact that most of our Wikipedia pages have very low click rates. - Recently I read that 4% of our pages cause 50% of our traffic. The idea of Liam is interesting that we

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table, vs. Google's serving portion

2010-11-07 Thread geni
On 6 November 2010 01:20, Seth Finkelstein se...@sethf.com wrote:        Nobody knows, because the unknown factor in such calculations is whether Google would continue to bless Wikipedia so heavily if it started running ads. You cannot assume that the current dominance in search ranking would

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table, vs. Google's serving portion

2010-11-07 Thread Michael Snow
On 11/7/2010 4:09 PM, geni wrote: As for tweak algorithmic factors firstly it's already happened at least once (there was a noticeable drop in wikipedia's Google SERPS positions a few years back). Secondly since both bing and yahoo rank wikipedia highly (in fact while I haven't checked

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-06 Thread Peter Coombe
On 6 November 2010 03:43, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 00:53, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred According to

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-06 Thread Fred Bauder
Anyway, here's some analysis of this very question done back in 2006. Estimates for annual revenue from adverts ranged from $42 billion to $100 billion, and that's without accounting for our growth since then.

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-06 Thread Peter Coombe
On 6 November 2010 10:56, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Anyway, here's some analysis of this very question done back in 2006. Estimates for annual revenue from adverts ranged from $42 billion to $100 billion, and that's without accounting for our growth since then.

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-06 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 11:38, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.com wrote: No, we don't *need* ads. But think how much we could improve our infrastructure and software with that money. Think how much content we could help to free. And think how much more international we could become.

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-06 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred According to alexa.com Facebook has a 3-month global pageview share of

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-06 Thread Michael Snow
On 11/6/2010 4:19 PM, Robert Rohde wrote: On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:53 PM, Marcus Buckm...@marcusbuck.org wrote: An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred According to alexa.com Facebook has

[Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Fred Bauder
How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Brian J Mingus
I'll bite - it's about time for our yearly advert flame war anyway. The answer is 0 dollars. That is because as soon as we put the advertising up we lose credibility and Wikipedia is no more. - Brian On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: How many billions in

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread David Gerard
On 5 November 2010 22:44, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Less than one soul. - d. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread WJhonson
Billions is not the appropate word here. Extrapolating from my own personal Adsense experience, I would suggest that with a single ad per article, the project would only earn perhaps 1 to 5 million a year. That's being generous. W ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Marcus Buck
An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred According to alexa.com Facebook has a 3-month global pageview share of 4.74010%. Wikipedia has 0.52984%. That's about 1/9th. According to Wikipedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Fred Bauder
Billions is not the appropate word here. Extrapolating from my own personal Adsense experience, I would suggest that with a single ad per article, the project would only earn perhaps 1 to 5 million a year. That's being generous. W The question has nothing to do with signing a contract

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table, vs. Google's serving portion

2010-11-05 Thread Seth Finkelstein
Fred Bauder How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Nobody knows, because the unknown factor in such calculations is whether Google would continue to bless Wikipedia so heavily if it started running ads. You cannot assume that the current

Re: [Foundation-l] Left on the Table

2010-11-05 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Nov 6, 2010 at 00:53, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: An'n 05.11.2010 23:44, hett Fred Bauder schreven: How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the table each year? Fred According to alexa.com Facebook has a 3-month global pageview share of