Hoi,
Google Wave is not a finished product at this moment.. The intention is to
make it available by the end of September. While Wave is developed it is not
stable and this is understood by the people who develop in it. When one
robot, in this the translation robot, you cannot infer anything from
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 6:26 AM, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, now that's in the realm of pure speculation.
Indeed.
How do you think another country - or the world - would react to
China's invasion of neighboring countries?
Somewhere on the spectrum of doing a weak press
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:54 PM, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
I disagree. All languages that have had a chance of becoming world
lingua francas - English, French, perhaps Spanish, are some recent
examples - were not only the languages of economic or political
powers, they were also
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
There won't be new lingua franca. ~30 years is now very small amount
of time for changing behavior of the global society, while it is very
large amount of time for machine translators. (Translation engines
between similar
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:22 AM, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt if any regional expert would put any stock in the idea of
China doing a foreign policy 360 and invading a neighboring country at
this point in its history or in the near future.
I was thinking more along the
2009/8/23 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com
I disagree. All languages that have had a chance of becoming world
lingua francas - English, French, perhaps Spanish, are some recent
examples - were not only the languages of economic or political
powers, they were also the languages of vast
2009/8/23 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
Getting involved overseas isn't the same as colonization.
There has been buzz about American colonialism and whatnot but the US
has few true colonies and none of any substantial size or population.
However, people learning English frequently
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 3:36 AM, 오현성chamda...@gmail.com wrote:
The only language that has become a world lingua franca to date is English,
and although British colonialism was clearly the original reason for this,
the dominant form of English over much of the world now is American English.
The
2009/8/23 Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com:
Anyhow as I said before, language shift is very much related to
attitudes and perceived language prestige. When doing business abroad,
English is often the language of communication between Chinese
companies and local employees and businesses. The
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Erik Zachteerikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote:
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
I am of course thinking about the list of 1000 articles
each wikipedia should have. Just completing a
significant part of that list is an accomplishment for
a tiny pool of editors, but
On 23 Aug 2009, at 09:50, Bod Notbod wrote:
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com
wrote:
There won't be new lingua franca. ~30 years is now very small amount
of time for changing behavior of the global society, while it is very
large amount of time for machine
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 11:59 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote:
(What's the next lingua franca going to be? When?)
It would have been Chinese if you could get a workable keyboard.
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I disagree. All languages that have had a chance of becoming world
lingua francas - English, French, perhaps Spanish, are some recent
examples - were not only the languages of economic or political
powers, they were also the languages of vast colonial empires.
Is it likely that English would be
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Mark Williamsonnode...@gmail.com wrote:
I disagree. All languages that have had a chance of becoming world
lingua francas - English, French, perhaps Spanish, are some recent
examples - were not only the languages of economic or political
powers, they were also
Okay, now that's in the realm of pure speculation.
How do you think another country - or the world - would react to
China's invasion of neighboring countries? Why would they even do
that?
Mark
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 10:20 PM, Bod Notbodbodnot...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 9:54
Svip wrote:
2009/8/21 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com:
Just to clarify, are you saying that in your view, too
few messages are translated to Danish, or are you
saying that too many messages are translated to the
Danish language?
Unfortunately; neither. Messages that
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
At translatewiki.net many of the messages include information about the
context. The coverage of this information has been improving steadily.
Perfectly true. I would emphasize the word improving though;
as there is quite a bit still to improve there. (most
On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Svipsvi...@gmail.com wrote:
...
The Danish Wikipedia itself is in a pretty bad state to. Too many
articles on it are close to laughable, and you can often find better
articles on Danish subjects on the English Wikipedia than the Danish
one.
I assume that your
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Emne: Re: [Foundation-l] New projects opened
2009/8/21 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Given that on Februari first 96.07% of the most used messages were
localised, it is clear that some
2009/8/21 Ole Palnatoke Andersen palnat...@gmail.com:
I assume that your contributions have been made under another username
or anonymously, as I do not recall seeing anything from Bruger:Svip.
My username on all Wikimedia wikis is Svippong. Svip was unfortunately taken.
2009/8/21 dex2000
When I analyze different language version I have developed a small model
dividing up the versions into being in one out of three development phases
-The buildup phase where mostly just more articles are added. Most of
the bigger versions have left this phase but many newer one are still in
dex2000 wrote:
Allow me to suggest that some explanation for the lag in article numbers and
contributors is the fact that Danish summers are more sunny and winters less
severe than is the case in our northern neighbourhood :-) .
Well, that explanation would have the collateral benefit
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:32:47 +0200
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Given that on Februari first 96.07% of the most used messages were
localised, it is clear that some of the most used messages were not
even localised. Consequently your puh puh reaction that only the rare
Hoi,
The only relevant local localisations are the ones that provide specific
information about that project. All the other localisations are suspect
because they often no longer reflect the original message. Regularly
messages change their text, add parameters, are using new
internationalisation
2009/8/21 Kaare Olsen ka...@nightcall.dk:
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:32:47 +0200
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Given that on Februari first 96.07% of the most used messages were
localised, it is clear that some of the most used messages were not
even localised. Consequently
On Fri, 21 Aug 2009 07:08:08 +0200
Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote:
So I do think Kaare is spot on to suggest it is an extraordinary
claim that lack of localizations is driving away Danish editors,
and as such requires extraordinary proof! Have there been
beginning Danish wiki-editors
Svip wrote:
I guess I am too busy maintaining my own wiki as well. Maybe a choice
to attract editors would be similar to that of the Swedish and
Norwegian wikis. That, and I'd like to see more appreciation of the
Danish language from the Danes themselves. I hear Dutch is under the
same
Hoi,
I know that the information provided by Erik Zachte will provide ample
information about that
Thanks,
Geard
2009/8/21 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com
Svip wrote:
I guess I am too busy maintaining my own wiki as well. Maybe a choice
to attract editors would be
..
I answered too quickly ... information in his upcoming Wikimania
presentation
Thanks,
Gerard
2009/8/21 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
Hoi,
I know that the information provided by Erik Zachte will provide ample
information about that
Thanks,
Geard
2009/8/21 Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net:
I can speak from a bit of personal experience here. Between the Dutch
chapter, Jan-Bart, and people on the technical team like Mark and Roan,
the Dutch were well represented at the meetings in Berlin in April. At
one point I decided to invade a
Hoi,
Apparently you are not aware that the Bengali Wikipedia is the biggest
resource in Bengali on the Internet. As a consequence it is a big success !!
Sure there should be more articles and we would absolutely welcome more
articles, more readers more positive attention for the Bengali Wikipedia.
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:03 AM, Gerard
Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Apparently you are not aware that the Bengali Wikipedia is the biggest
resource in Bengali on the Internet. As a consequence it is a big success !!
Sure there should be more articles and we would absolutely welcome
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Of these 270 languages of Wikipedia, only 41 have more than 50,000
articles and only 69 had more than 1 million page views in July of
2009. The 69th most used Wikipedia is Swahili. This East African
language has 50 million
Andre Engels wrote:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Of these 270 languages of Wikipedia, only 41 have more than 50,000
articles and only 69 had more than 1 million page views in July of
2009. The 69th most used Wikipedia is Swahili. This East African
Andre Engels wrote:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Of these 270 languages of Wikipedia, only 41 have more than 50,000
articles and only 69 had more than 1 million page views in July of
2009. The 69th most used Wikipedia is Swahili. This East African
Andre Engels hett schreven:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 5:22 AM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Of these 270 languages of Wikipedia, only 41 have more than 50,000
articles and only 69 had more than 1 million page views in July of
2009. The 69th most used Wikipedia is Swahili. This East
Marcus Buck wrote:
What I want to say: please everybody get away from calling
projects failure, worse, weak or whatever. It's all
subjective. And it's entirely meaningless,
I disagree, it's neither subjective nor meaningless. Wikipedia
has a mission to disseminate free knowledge. It's an
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 2:35 PM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Marcus Buck wrote:
What I want to say: please everybody get away from calling
projects failure, worse, weak or whatever. It's all
subjective. And it's entirely meaningless,
I disagree, it's neither subjective nor
Hoi,
Lars I completely agree that the failure of a Wikipedia IS meaningful. But
it is only meaningful if we are interested in learning what causes these
failures, what we can do to remedy these situations and when we are willing
to act upon our findings.
I mentioned earlier that the Danish
Chad hett schreven:
I agree wholeheartedly. We need to get away from this idea that more
projects in more languages is better. It's not. It's lead to the issue we
see now: dead projects lying around until somebody bothers to clean it
up or close it.
More projects in more languages _is_
Marcus Buck wrote:
I don't think that there are generally too few people interested in
those languages. It's just hard to make the start. It's immensely
frustrating to work on a wiki all alone, writing article for article,
and after a year, you maybe have 100 or 200 articles and your
On Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:14:14 +0200
Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
One of the reasons why Danish has been sluggish may be that the
localisation of Danish was not optimal; in Februari 83.66% of the
MediaWiki messages and 14.11% of the WMF used extensions were
localised. This
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Lars I completely agree that the failure of a Wikipedia IS meaningful. But
it is only meaningful if we are interested in learning what causes these
failures, what we can do to remedy these situations and when we are willing
to act upon our findings.
Marcus Buck wrote:
Languages of societies
with much leisure time easily gained enough momentum by themselves. But
other language versions from societies with educational and social
hardships don't gain momentum by themselves. They don't reach the
critical mass to sustain active wiki
Hoi,
Given that on Februari first 96.07% of the most used messages were
localised, it is clear that some of the most used messages were not even
localised. Consequently your puh puh reaction that only the rare messages
are affected is not correct.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/8/20 Kaare Olsen
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Given that on Februari first 96.07% of the most used messages were
localised, it is clear that some of the most used messages were not even
localised. Consequently your puh puh reaction that only the rare messages
are affected is not correct.
Not all of the
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:22 PM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Kaare Olsen wrote:
What I think is the primary reason for the Danish Wikipedia
being much smaller than the neighbouring languages is that
Danes generally are internationally minded and pride themselves
on being good at
2009/8/21 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com:
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Given that on Februari first 96.07% of the most used messages were
localised, it is clear that some of the most used messages were not even
localised. Consequently your puh puh reaction that only the rare
Hoi,
We are not talking about bootstrap usage. The Danish Wikipedia is obviously
way past that point. We are talking about usability and the acceptance of
MediaWiki as a proper platform for a language. Basically usage is not the
same as being accepted as an environment that provides proper
Just to clarify, are you saying that in your view, too
few messages are translated to Danish, or are you
saying that too many messages are translated to the
Danish language?
Yours,
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
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On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Svipsvi...@gmail.com wrote:
But that's without mentioning the horrible state of the localisation
in general: Wrong context translations, just wrong translations and
many spelling errors.
Contextual errors I can understand, figuring out all the right
contexts
Hoi,
At translatewiki.net many of the messages include information about the
context. The coverage of this information has been improving steadily. This
information is not available when messages are localised on the local wiki.
So there are two places where localisations can originate; local and
Andrew Gray wrote:
For those curious as to overall statistics, that's about 270 language
editions of Wikipedia, now. (The various lists seem to disagree
slightly, and it's a little lower if we omit two empty projects).
I think we need to get away from counting articles and languages,
as if
Personally, I think the 2 articles in the Bengali Wikipedia
serving a speaking community of 230 million is an even better example
of failure.
-Robert Rohde
On Wed, Aug 19, 2009 at 8:22 PM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote:
Andrew Gray wrote:
For those curious as to overall statistics,
Yesterday, new projects were opened:
* Sorani Wikipedia (http://ckb.wikipedia.org/)
* Western Panjabi Wikipedia (http://pnb.wikipedia.org/)
* Mirandese Wikipedia (http://mwl.wikipedia.org/)
* Acehnese Wikipedia (http://ace.wikipedia.org/)
* Turkish Wikinews (http://tr.wikinews.org/)
Thanks for the information. I'll spread the word to Acehnese community.
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote:
Yesterday, new projects were opened:
* Sorani Wikipedia (http://ckb.wikipedia.org/)
* Western Panjabi Wikipedia (http://pnb.wikipedia.org/)
* Mirandese Wikipedia (http://mwl.wikipedia.org/)
* Acehnese Wikipedia
Nice!
Quick sp correction: Punjabi
Milos Rancic wrote:
Yesterday, new projects were opened:
* Sorani Wikipedia (http://ckb.wikipedia.org/)
* Western Panjabi Wikipedia (http://pnb.wikipedia.org/)
* Mirandese Wikipedia (http://mwl.wikipedia.org/)
* Acehnese Wikipedia
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Andre Engelsandreeng...@gmail.com wrote:
I find that interwiki links to these projects (at least the
Wikipedias, I haven't checked on Wikinews) are not working yet. Could
someone from the technical team mend this asap? Thanks in advance!
--
André Engels,
Hoi,
Actually according to the standard Panjabi is the correct spelling.
Thanks,
GerardM
http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=pnb
2009/8/13 Kul Takanao Wadhwa kwad...@wikimedia.org
Nice!
Quick sp correction: Punjabi
Milos Rancic wrote:
Yesterday, new projects were
Gerard Meijssen wrote:
Hoi,
Actually according to the standard Panjabi is the correct spelling.
Thanks,
GerardM
Hmmm...really? And I'm half Punjabi. You'd think I should know that. --Kul
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On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote:
Hoi,
Actually according to the standard Panjabi is the correct spelling.
It is the same moronic standard which says that the Egyptian dialect is a
language.
Congrats to the new projects, I just hope that they are
2009/8/13 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
Yesterday, new projects were opened:
* Sorani Wikipedia (http://ckb.wikipedia.org/)
* Western Panjabi Wikipedia (http://pnb.wikipedia.org/)
* Mirandese Wikipedia (http://mwl.wikipedia.org/)
* Acehnese Wikipedia (http://ace.wikipedia.org/)
* Turkish
Hoi,
When the most often used Mediawiki messages have been localised for any of
the Berber languages, we will be looking at the status at the Incubator.
When there are sufficient articles of a sufficient size written by a smalll
community we will see if the language is recognised as the language
2009/8/13 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com:
Yesterday, new projects were opened:
* Sorani Wikipedia (http://ckb.wikipedia.org/)
* Western Panjabi Wikipedia (http://pnb.wikipedia.org/)
* Mirandese Wikipedia (http://mwl.wikipedia.org/)
* Acehnese Wikipedia (http://ace.wikipedia.org/)
* Turkish
On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Grayandrew.g...@dunelm.org.uk wrote:
For those curious as to overall statistics, that's about 270 language
editions of Wikipedia, now. (The various lists seem to disagree
slightly, and it's a little lower if we omit two empty projects).
Turkish Wikinews
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