A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich
source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get
references to books and journal articles. Web references should be
the exception rather than the rule, because the vast majority of
websites are not WP:RS.
2011/11/3 David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com
A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich
source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get
references to books and journal articles. Web references should be
the exception rather than the
Hi,
Making referencing easier on Wikipedia with optional tools is a good thing,
but there is a parallel activity of educating old hands to be aware that
there is no requirement or policy for ref tags to be used in an article. If
a new user wishes to stick sources as plain text at the bottom of an
there is no requirement or policy for ref tags to be used in an article. If
a new user wishes to stick sources as plain text at the bottom of an
article, this is not actually a failure against the manual of style or our
verification policy.
This may be true, but it is a policy that an
My guess about how to go about doing that would be to write up the
documentation for how to use the relevant parts of the API for this
specific purpose. I think it would not be possible to give a solution that
worked for everyone because each external website would have a different
database
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 6:57 PM, David Richfield
davidrichfi...@gmail.com wrote:
[Suggestion to encourage other website to generate pastable citation code]
I like it a lot! How do we go about promoting this idea?
I dont like it.
Websites should provide citations as COinS, or another
On 3 November 2011 09:26, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
We could create a zotero plugin which allows the ref to be added to
the end of paragraph.
We could go even further and integrate mediawiki and a zotero server
so that Wikipedia can use named refs throughout.
Oh yes please!
On 11/02/11 2:32 PM, David Gerard wrote:
On 2 November 2011 21:28, Nathannawr...@gmail.com wrote:
To explain what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QUICKREF
YES. We need this horribly urgently.
It should also pop up when someone clicks on a [citation needed] tag
- that's a blue
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 November 2011 09:26, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote:
We could create a zotero plugin which allows the ref to be added to
the end of paragraph.
We could go even further and integrate mediawiki and a zotero
2011/11/3 David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com:
This should be kept in mind (particularly for bot design) when many new
articles such as biographies are *incorrectly* tagged for speedy deletion
or as unsourced when sources are present in the article, they just do not
use the citation
On 3 November 2011 09:31, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
Also can the expression citation needed be changed to something that
is more inviting to newbies, like Please add citation?
We may be late for that - citation needed is entering English.
- d.
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 21:41, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference
adding interface that shows up while
On 11/02/11 11:27 PM, David Richfield wrote:
A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich
source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get
references to books and journal articles. Web references should be
the exception rather than the rule,
Tom's point on lag is an important consideration, I tend to use tools such
as greasemonkey (see the wiki citation generator direct from Worldcat
entries - http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/59173 - Google, The
Guardian and others also available) and my local scripts using iMacro to
scrape key
On 11/02/11 2:11 PM, Nathan wrote:
A button or link that says Add a reference? that brings up a box
with several lines, labelled URL Source Author Date. Click
Ok and the reference is inserted, no ref syntax or other ugly
interface necessary.
Put it automatically at the end of a paragraph or
On 11/03/11 2:49 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 3 November 2011 09:31, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote:
Also can the expression citation needed be changed to something that
is more inviting to newbies, like Please add citation?
We may be late for that - citation needed is entering English.
On 3 November 2011 10:47, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote:
On 11/03/11 2:49 AM, David Gerard wrote:
On 3 November 2011 09:31, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote:
Also can the expression citation needed be changed to something that
is more inviting to newbies, like Please add
This demands far too much of newbies. We can sometimes be very
cult-like in our demand for references and sources.
Verifiability is central to Wikipedia, and it should not be otherwise.
If we have editors who do not understand what a reliable source is, they
need to be educated. If they don't
2011/11/3 David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com:
A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich
source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get
references to books and journal articles. Web references should be
the exception rather than the
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 1:55 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
2011/11/3 David Richfield davidrichfi...@gmail.com:
A tool which pops up asking for a URL, author and date would be a rich
source of bad references. We should rather be looking at ways to get
references to books and journal
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 2 November 2011 21:41, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and
A button or link that says Add a reference? that brings up a box
with several lines, labelled URL Source Author Date. Click
Ok and the reference is inserted, no ref syntax or other ugly
interface necessary.
Put it automatically at the end of a paragraph or somewhere else,
maybe even include a
To explain what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QUICKREF
On Wed, Nov 2, 2011 at 5:11 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
A button or link that says Add a reference? that brings up a box
with several lines, labelled URL Source Author Date. Click
Ok and the reference is inserted,
On 2 November 2011 21:28, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
To explain what I mean: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:QUICKREF
YES. We need this horribly urgently.
It should also pop up when someone clicks on a [citation needed] tag
- that's a blue link that looks like a direct invitation,
I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference
adding interface that shows up while editing (i.e., after you click
edit this page.) It's a gadget
On 2 November 2011 21:41, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
I knew it looked so obvious someone must've already tried to do it.
See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ProveIt.jpg and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ProveIt_GT. This is a GUI reference
adding interface that shows up while
I expanded the WP:QUICKREF page to discuss available tools. While
ProveIT (created by Georgia Tech) is a gadget that is available to all
logged in users in Preferences - Gadgets, it's not available to
others, new users are unlikely to know about it, and it doesn't add
prompts to add a reference in
, instictive, and no-boring at all.
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