Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-08 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/7 Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com: Is it possible to keep my proposal intact and address those issues? Yes. Just put (This will allow your image to be used on Wikipedia) next to the CC-BY-SA option. This would suffer from exactly the same problem.

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-08 Thread wiki-lists
Sage Ross wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: If someone write a piece of music and releases it under a CC-BY-SA license, they can also allow uses under other conditions. Now assume that you hear that music in some TV advert is the advert CC-BY-SA? Not

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-08 Thread Sage Ross
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:07 AM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: The last time someone just said 'Creative Commons license' on one of my pics they were linking back to the flickr page which has the CC license link. Now most dont bother saying CC though they do link back to the flickr

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Michael Dale
For static timed text mv-embed library works reasonably well. It has a simple interface for selecting the text track / language. What remains to be done is an interface for people to collaboratively edit and contribute the original transcript and translations. (some work has been done in that

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Bod Notbod
On the subject of Flickr, I have a proposal. I'd like to see an option given to Flickr users to check license for use on Wikipedia which would be an easy way for people to a) make their pictures available to us and b) easier to find by Wikipedians. It could be argued that it should say license

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Jovan Cormac
That's a great idea. They might even do it... Cheers, Jovan Cormac Bod Notbod wrote: On the subject of Flickr, I have a proposal. I'd like to see an option given to Flickr users to check license for use on Wikipedia which would be an easy way for people to a) make their pictures available

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Jovan Cormaclimu...@gmx.net wrote: That's a great idea. They might even do it... Thanks! :o) I can't think of any huge reasons for them not to. I don't think it would reduce their traffic. I suppose there's why should they? I think it would be an improvement to

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Samuel Klein
I met a few people helping out with Wikimania, including the lead photographer on site, who got involved with the local Wikimedia community after their photostream was found on Flickr and incorporated into Wikipedia (es:wp)... Discovering your work has been used by someone else is always a nice

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread wiki-lists
Jovan Cormac wrote: wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Secondly, just because YOU think something is PD or licensed under Creative Commons does not mean that it is in reality so. For example many images on flickr have been lifted from the web and the account uploading them falsely

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 11:42:46 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force Jovan Cormac wrote: wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Secondly, just because YOU think something is PD or licensed under Creative Commons does

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread wiki-lists
Bod Notbod wrote: On the subject of Flickr, I have a proposal. I'd like to see an option given to Flickr users to check license for use on Wikipedia which would be an easy way for people to a) make their pictures available to us and b) easier to find by Wikipedians. You can already

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread wiki-lists
Geoffrey Plourde wrote: I agree, vigilantism is not necessary and counter productive. The Commons Force proposal represents a clear and present danger, both for whoever hosts it and participates in it. It is not for a third party to intervene in a contract between two people and only two

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Sage Ross
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Geoffrey Plourdegeo.p...@yahoo.com wrote: The Commons Force proposal represents a clear and present danger, both for whoever hosts it and participates in it. It is not for a third party to intervene in a contract between two people and only two people. This

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:40 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On the subject of Flickr, I have a proposal. I'd like to see an option given to Flickr users to check license for use on Wikipedia which would be an easy way for people to a) make their pictures available to us and b)

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread wiki-lists
Bod Notbod wrote: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 8:40 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: On the subject of Flickr, I have a proposal. I'd like to see an option given to Flickr users to check license for use on Wikipedia which would be an easy way for people to a) make their pictures

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread wiki-lists
Sage Ross wrote: If a copyleft license is being violated, that is potentially of concern beyond the two legal parties, since properly using the license would mean that derivative works are also part of the commons and available for others to use and adapt. The problem is that YOU have no

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/7 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Geoffrey Plourdegeo.p...@yahoo.com wrote: The Commons Force proposal represents a clear and present danger, both for whoever hosts it and participates in it. It is not for a third party to intervene in a

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Sage Ross
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Sage Ross wrote: If a copyleft license is being violated, that is potentially of concern beyond the two legal parties, since properly using the license would mean that derivative works are also part of the commons and

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Bod Notbod
On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 10:47 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: That's easily answered. I'm not renaming the license. I'm proposing that there be a tick box for that very same license with a more friendly tag that tells the user can be used on Wikipedia. The license doesn't change, it's

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/7 Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com: That's a very fair comment. Is it possible to keep my proposal intact and address those issues? Indeed. Just note on CC-by and CC-by-sa that they also make it eligible for Wikipedia. Offer a tickbox for asking Wikipedia reviewers to check your image,

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/7 Bod Notbod bodnot...@gmail.com: Is it possible to keep my proposal intact and address those issues? Yes. Just put (This will allow your image to be used on Wikipedia) next to the CC-BY-SA option. ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
. From: David Gerard dger...@gmail.com To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, September 7, 2009 3:12:11 PM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force 2009/9/7 Sage Ross ragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 3:34 PM, Geoffrey

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:10 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Sage Ross wrote: If a copyleft license is being violated, that is potentially of concern beyond the two legal parties, since properly using the license would mean that derivative works are also

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Lars Aronsson
Bod Notbod wrote: I'd like to see an option given to Flickr users to check license for use on Wikipedia which would be an easy way for people to The problem with that kind of simplified explanation of what CC-BY-SA means is that content that is licensed for use on Wikipedia will be rejected

[Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread Jovan Cormac
I'd like to propose a project I tentatively refer to as Commons Force (Meta link: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/CommonsForce). Commons Force is a wiki used to coordinate a force of volunteers who *actively* educate people about the concepts of public domain and the Creative Commons. That

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread Michael Dale
I think a small interactive quiz or 30-60 sec videos at point of upload / contribution.. may help encourage people to get informed about these subjects and properly tag the media. For media pulled from external archive we should ideally only support importing compatible licensed media I don't

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I like the idea of a video that explains copyright and licenses. It is however important that this video is subtitled.. What is the status of subtitling for your software ?? Thanks, GerardM 2009/9/6 Michael Dale d...@ucsc.edu I think a small interactive quiz or 30-60 sec videos at

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread Jovan Cormac
Michael, I'm afraid you didn't understand the proposal. The proposal has nothing to do whatsoever with people contributing to Commons not being educated about licenses. It's about contacting to people *outside* of Commons, people who may not be involved in any Wikimedia project, and tell them

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Jovan Cormac, 06/09/2009 20:37: The proposal has nothing to do whatsoever with people contributing to Commons not being educated about licenses. It's about contacting to people *outside* of Commons, people who may not be involved in any Wikimedia project, and tell them about PD or CC media

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread wiki-lists
Jovan Cormac wrote: Michael, I'm afraid you didn't understand the proposal. The proposal has nothing to do whatsoever with people contributing to Commons not being educated about licenses. It's about contacting to people *outside* of Commons, people who may not be involved in any

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-06 Thread Jovan Cormac
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Firstly, people are NOT meant to be uploading content to flickr that they did not take themselves. They do, though. If someone blogs the photo from flickr then the flickr system will tag it as the work of the account that IOW it will be falsely