Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-13 Thread Nathan
They also noted that Korean users who wanted to upload content and make comments could alter their user preferences to state residency in a country other than South Korea. I'm not sure how this will help them if the KCC expects IP filtering, but... If declaring national origin was possible in prefe

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-13 Thread Kalan
On Mon, Apr 13, 2009 at 22:11, Milos Rancic wrote: > So, probably, the option is to do the same and to find some open (or > not so open) proxies for Koreans who are willing to edit. That’d be extremely stupid if we are actually not required to do so (which is quite likely). So I suggest waiting fo

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-13 Thread Milos Rancic
Youtube blocked uploading and registering by Korean users [1]. So, probably, the option is to do the same and to find some open (or not so open) proxies for Koreans who are willing to edit. [1] - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/04/youtube-korea-respects-privacy.html __

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-12 Thread Nemo_bis
Mike Godwin, 12/04/2009 14:35: > 1) We're watching S. Korea closely to determine whether their new "real > name" policy will affect our projects. Thank you. Gabriella Carlucci, a showgirl and deputy (pretty similar works here in Italy, especially according to our prime minister), has proposed a

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-12 Thread Mike Godwin
Geoffrey Plourde writes: > > While I may not be a lawyer, I believe that this system is a paper tiger. > It is simply impossible for them to enforce it for many reasons. > > 1. It is impossible for us to determine which users are from South Korea > 2. It would be a privacy violation to deliver nam

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-11 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
protections, like the United States. This will prevent any future problems of this nature. From: Lars Aronsson To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2009 4:45:37 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-11 Thread David Gerard
2009/4/10 RYU Cheol : > Here we have, http://ko.wikipedia.org/User:Ryuch/realname > I qouted the names in the announcement of Communication Commission. > It includes Yahoo and Microsoft as well as Google. > Yahoo and Microsoft submitted to the law. And YouTube said "what? ahahaha no." http://www

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-11 Thread Mark Williamson
For that matter, how would they know which people at ko.wp are Korean citizens? Mark 2009/4/11 Lars Aronsson : > RYU Cheol wrote: > >> If we have to abide by, they will mention us on their list which >> will be posted on their web site. > > So in theory, this could happen to the English language

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-11 Thread Lars Aronsson
RYU Cheol wrote: > If we have to abide by, they will mention us on their list which > will be posted on their web site. So in theory, this could happen to the English language Wikipedia (if enough many Koreans use it), not only the Korean language Wikipedia? Of course the English language Wik

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Chen Minqi
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:24 PM, RYU Cheol wrote: >They already presented the list of this year. They will collect data >for the average number of visitors per 3 months in the end of every>year. Which means that we still have more than half a year to clear our doubt and, if the law affects us,

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread RYU Cheol
Here we have, http://ko.wikipedia.org/User:Ryuch/realname I qouted the names in the announcement of Communication Commission. It includes Yahoo and Microsoft as well as Google. Yahoo and Microsoft submitted to the law. --Cheol 2009/4/11 Nathan : > 2009/4/10 Puzzlet Chung > >> >> >> >> >> This

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Nathan
2009/4/10 Puzzlet Chung > > > > > This year, 153 domains are obligated to provide "personal > identification management," all of them are websites for either > commercial company or public broadcasting service. > > > Do you mean that there is a list of entities that come under the law? Can you li

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Puzzlet Chung
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > Tim Starling wrote: >> RYU Cheol wrote: >>> We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo, >>> right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South >>> Korea. >> >> Those servers are no longer being used to serve

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Cheol, first of all, we are all very concerned about this issue and we are still sorting things out. So more informations especially from you in the country would be of great value. To your question at first: According to the comScore data ( http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Stu/comSco

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
So we need to speed the process up. From: RYU Cheol To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List Sent: Friday, April 10, 2009 8:24:03 AM Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet Don't hurry up. They an

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread RYU Cheol
Don't hurry up. They announce the services which have to submit the law every year. They already presented the list of this year. They will collect data for the average number of visitors per 3 months in the end of every year. If we have to abide by, they will mention us on their list which will b

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Tim Starling
Tim Starling wrote: > RYU Cheol wrote: >> We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo, >> right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South >> Korea. > > Those servers are no longer being used to serve the website, they're > just being used for a few miscellaneo

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Tim Starling
RYU Cheol wrote: > We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo, > right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South > Korea. Those servers are no longer being used to serve the website, they're just being used for a few miscellaneous tasks. We're planning to mov

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-10 Thread Puzzlet Chung
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 1:25 PM, Kalan wrote: > > If a similar law would be adopted in one of the Western countries, > mass campaigns and protests would be inevitable. Perhaps we should > expect something like this from Koreans as well? > > — Kalan > There is a protest of course, including an ong

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Kalan
On Fri, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:24, RYU Cheol wrote: > I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government,  'cause I > don't want to say good bye to you all. If a similar law would be adopted in one of the Western countries, mass campaigns and protests would be inevitable. Perhaps we should exp

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread RYU Cheol
Of course, we can decide to follow or not, and I hope we decide not to. I want you to be informed that we have the risk to be blocked from South Korea and we could loose editors from South Korea. I suggest we make a voice against South Korean government, 'cause I don't want to say good bye to yo

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Mark Williamson
No, in most cases we don't have to abide by the law tof the United Kingdom. There are hundreds of countries in the world, each with their own different laws, some seemingly quite draconian when it comes to what content is allowed. Imagine, in North Korea the things we say about Kim Jong-il are pro

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread RYU Cheol
We have some servers in Seoul, Korea, which are donated by Yahoo, right? (I'm not sure, let me know) Then it's a web site in South Korea. --Cheol 2009/4/10 Techman224 : > If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and > there's enough people coming from there, we either have to

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Techman224
If this law includes websites hosted outside of South Korea, and there's enough people coming from there, we either have to do it, or risk being blocked. Techman224 ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread RYU Cheol
I'm not sure what you mean by no business in South Korea. The foundation is in Florida, so you don't need to abide by the law of United Kingdom? But I'm an contributing editor of Wikipedia residing in South Korea and some of ko.wp editors are preparing to establish South Korea chapter to promote

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-09 Thread Nathan
Assuming it isn't an April Fool's joke, the fact remains that the Wikimedia Foundation is not bound to abide by the laws of South Korea. Google had business there, presumably, while the Foundation does not. Nathan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-08 Thread RYU Cheol
Until today they were considering to implement, but finally they decided to abandon the business in South Korea. Nobody who set his profile to South Korea cannot upload video and cannot comments on Youtube. Now you got it? -Cheol 2009/4/9 Michael Snow : > RYU Cheol wrote: >> Yap, it's silly. But

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-08 Thread Michael Snow
RYU Cheol wrote: > Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea. > > http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html > However, this story indicates that contrary to the earlier report, Google (specifically YouTube) is *not* implementing such a system. I don't know their reason

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-08 Thread RYU Cheol
Yap, it's silly. But it's happening in Korea. http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/biz/2009/04/123_42862.html 2009/4/9 teun spaans : > "oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea’s Act on the > Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User > Protection wi

Re: [Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-08 Thread teun spaans
"oncurrently April 1 is when the amendment to South Korea’s Act on the Promotion of Information and Communications Network Utilization and User Protection will go into effect". That date smells ;-) On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:53 AM, RYU Cheol wrote: > According to this post, > > http://briandeutsch

[Foundation-l] South Korean Government's regulations on real name for Internet

2009-04-08 Thread RYU Cheol
According to this post, http://briandeutsch.blogspot.com/2009/03/google-korea-youtube-korea-to-begin.html , "Google, the world’s largest Internet company, has finally submitted to South Korea‘s unprecedented Internet regulations, including agreeing to implement a “real name” system in which any So