Hoi,
There is this rule; ignore all rules. There is a point to it. Particularly
in situations where an injustice is likely to happen, the blind following of
rules can be quite inhuman and at best an excuse for not thinking through
consequences and accepting responisibility.
When people are brave
Hoi,
Andre you make a good case why ignore all rules must be used carefully.
People express the opinion that Iran is the enemy and by inference Iranians
cannot be trusted. This is a great example of an opinion that is detrimental
to our projects. In my opinion we need an Iranian chapter as much as
So we don't believe in freedom of expression?
When somebody in a position of authority abuses that power and
discriminates, yes, their power should be removed and possibly they
should be blocked. But in the case of someone saying I vote no
because this person is black, their vote should just be
Hoi,
If people want to express themselves in a discriminatory way, they can do
soelsewhere. When people vote against someone with the motivation that the
person is black, then indeed we are better off without him. I am all in
favour of freedom of expression, but this is not a debating club.
geni wrote:
2009/2/9 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com:
The real danger is that stewards have access to global checkuser, so
they can theoretically be used to trace users when forced by secret
police of an non-democratic country. However, various special forces
and secret services of
Hoi,
There are valid reasons why you might be against this candidate. However,
when arguments are used that you *can not* agree with, you should speak and
motivate your vote. The alternative is that people think an unacceptable
position is yours.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/2/13 Ray Saintonge
geni wrote:
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Surely is this a prejudice. Because there is no data that support such
an assumption. In the eight years since the being of Wikipedia I don't
know any such case happend on any Wikimedia project.
Ting
Prejudice? We know Iran's record on
2009/2/12 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net:
And how this relate to the status of stewarship?
Would you accept that someone be rejected because he is Muslim or Jew?
or because he is black or white? This is exactly the same to me, i.e.
not acceptable.
I wasn't aware that any of those were nation
Hoi,
There are people I know who put more trust in the Iranian people then in
the
American people. Now, it is completely unacceptable at this time to deny
people from the USA the possibility to become a steward. There are many
countries who are not trusted to do right. So how are we going to
Hoi,
When people vote and do not provide arguments why it is reasonable to ignore
them in circumstances like this one. In the end it is the person who decides
on the outcome how certain votes are valued. We are working on consensus,
this means that it is not only about simple majorities,
Thanks,
I apologize for the typo in your name, I am apparently still asleep.
Cheers
Yaroslav
Hoi,
When people vote and do not provide arguments why it is reasonable to
ignore
them in circumstances like this one. In the end it is the person who
decides
on the outcome how certain votes are valued.
For a western government the cost of the PR mess is unlikely to
outweigh any benefits. There are also various other issues that mean
that such interference is unlikely (the CIA legally can't touch
wikipedia since it is US based and I doubt any other intelligence
agency wants to annoy the US).
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 9:47 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote:
But then I guess there alre already checkusers on fa.wp?
Nope. Candidates were not able to get enough support; which has much
more with the situation in the community than with anything else. At
fa.wp candidates very
it doesn't make any sense that one could think of such a reason to oppose.if
you trust his abilities and good reasoning, give him the extra tools to help
as he's willing to do so.
Also, he promised he won't do checkuser in Iranian projects which is the
most critical power to misuse.
this is a
I would say the likelihood of him being the target of the Iranian govt is
the same as him being kidnapped by some terror group and tortured for his
access, which could happen in any country...
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Mido mido.archit...@gmail.com wrote:
it doesn't make any sense that
Which is more likely to happen in some countries than others.
Though, I do agree that it is a silly reason to oppose in light of his
quite reasonable concessions.
-Dan
On Feb 10, 2009, at 5:26 AM, Muhammad Alsebaey wrote:
I would say the likelihood of him being the target of the Iranian
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This is a summary of the steward elections and confirmations so far. The
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Looking at the summary and comments, I am struck by the fact that
Mardetanha [1] is getting a significant number of oppose votes from
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Iran. Including comments that the Iranian government might arrest and
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On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 8:04 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
I dislike this argument very much...
You were expecting good arguments? :)
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2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are
born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that
cannot be influence by a person against him is a kind of discrimination.
True but it's based on reality rather
2009/2/9 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are
born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that
cannot be influence by a person against him is a kind of discrimination.
If I understand it right, Wikimedia or other stewards can trace what a
single steward is doing. Even if a dictatorship forces a local steward to do
something, there is the danger that this becomes public.
Ziko
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de
Robert Rohde wrote:
Looking at the summary
2009/2/9 Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com:
If I understand it right, Wikimedia or other stewards can trace what a
single steward is doing. Even if a dictatorship forces a local steward to do
something, there is the danger that this becomes public.
Ziko
Thats the danger for a western
geni schrieb:
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are
born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that
cannot be influence by a person against him is a kind of discrimination.
True but
geni wrote:
2009/2/9 Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com:
If I understand it right, Wikimedia or other stewards can trace what a
single steward is doing. Even if a dictatorship forces a local steward to do
something, there is the danger that this becomes public.
Ziko
Thats the
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
Surely is this a prejudice. Because there is no data that support such
an assumption. In the eight years since the being of Wikipedia I don't
know any such case happend on any Wikimedia project.
Ting
Prejudice? We know Iran's record on human rights and
On Mon, Feb 9, 2009 at 10:19 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
geni wrote:
If there's any sign that a steward had misused his previlege, for what
ever reason, he would instantly lost that previlege.
yes indeed.
if i remember correctly it was in 2005 that i removed as a steward
On Tue, Feb 10, 2009 at 7:58 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/2/9 geni geni...@gmail.com:
2009/2/9 Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de:
I dislike this argument very much. People cannot choose that they are
born in Iran or in China, or in the USA or Europe. Use such a trait that
Hello,
This is a summary of the steward elections and confirmations so far. The
elections are open February 1 to 22, at
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards/elections_2009 and
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards/confirm respectively.
902 unique users have participated in the elections
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