On 30 September 2010 20:31, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 29 September 2010 17:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually,
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
Plus to convince voting ChapCom members enough that it is good idea to
convince WM Serbia that it is a good idea.
As a non-voting member of ChapCom and Board member of WM RS I can
confirm that the harder task is to
On 29 September 2010 17:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually, I'm quite the pragmatist. You are being an idealist by
assuming that can just go with the nice solution and it will all work
out fine, despite
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 29 September 2010 17:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Actually, I'm quite the pragmatist. You are being an idealist by
assuming
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
On 29 September 2010 17:57, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Hoi,
You love theory, I love to be more realistic. Given that chapters are about
providing support in one area with one legal and financial system to the
WMF, it is clear and obvious that Kosovo is not part of greater Serbia.
When you assume that the contract with chapters can be interpreted in a
Hoi,
Lodewijk you are missing the point. The question is, should they bother, do
they have a chance. When they provide all this information and then are
denied for political reasons, it is best to say so up front.
The notion that there is only success as an outcome is not relevant. The
question
that outcome.
Cheers,
MarianoC.-
--- El mié 29-sep-10, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com escribió:
De: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
Para: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Fecha: miércoles, 29
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Mariano Cecowski
marianocecow...@yahoo.com.ar wrote:
Gerard; if New York got to be a Chapter (or a SubChapter for what it
matters) then Kosovo can definitely be one as well.
The question of whether it would end up being an independent chapter, or a
On 29 September 2010 12:24, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
You love theory, I love to be more realistic. Given that chapters are about
providing support in one area with one legal and financial system to the
WMF, it is clear and obvious that Kosovo is not part of greater
On 29 September 2010 13:09, Lodewijk lodew...@effeietsanders.org wrote:
That would only be the case if we would have sufficient information to
actually make a decision and this would be the actual body making such
decision in the first place. Some very important indicators are still
missing.
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
Actually, I'm quite the pragmatist. You are being an idealist by
assuming that can just go with the nice solution and it will all work
out fine, despite the very real risks involved with a top-5 website
appearing
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 16:38, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
well I think that the kosovars should just co submit the application for
albania and leave out the kosovo issue for now.
would that work?
There are no obstacles for Wikimedia Albania. It will
On 27 September 2010 20:36, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
The most important harm which exists now is the fact that free
knowledge activists from Kosovo are not included yet into the
Wikimedia movement. So, until the situation becomes more clear, we
should think how to solve that
On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
Kosovo independence.
Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters (which is
probably best for the WM movement, since the Serbian chapter
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 13:35, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
So your proposal is basically to make the Kosovan group a recognised
non-chapter group (like we're talking about doing with the Kansai
group) and then upgrade them to chapter status at a later date
if/when it is less
On 28 September 2010 12:40, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
Kosovo independence.
Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters
Message: 4
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 12:40:30 +0100
From: Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Message-ID:
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On 28 September 2010 15:27, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
Kosovo independence.
Very true, but allowing separate Kosovan and Sebian chapters (which is
An'n 28.09.2010 13:45, hett David Gerard schreven:
On 28 September 2010 12:40, Thomas Daltonthomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Gomajrg...@gmail.com wrote:
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union nor
Kosovo independence.
Very true,
Hoi,
Neither New York nor Hong Kong are independent. So this is not an argument.
It is completely beside the point what is the point is that Kosovo is
administratively a separate area. it has its own issues..
Thanks,
GerardM
On 27 September 2010 19:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 1:45 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 28 September 2010 12:40, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
On 27 September 2010 21:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
We are here to promote Wikimedia projects not to promote Serbia union
nor
Kosovo
On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 18:29 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 14:58, Daniel ~ Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com wrote:
Look here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide
and here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_chapter_FAQ.
Plus to convince
Hoi,
I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the set up
of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving them
a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate jurisdiction means
that it fulfils the basic requirement. Given that Hong Kong and
lets first await how things develop, whether there are enough people being
involved, if a chapter is actually the most useful format for their
activities in the first place - before we are going to get into the whole
political question of whether Kosovo is a seperate jurisdiction or not and
what
Hoi,
So you want them to first organise things with the understanding that they
will not be accepted as a chapter? In the language committee we have the
grace to first decide on eligibility and then decide if all the requirements
are met.
Yes I understand your reasoning but it means either that
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:14, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the set up
of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving them
a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 14:06, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:14, Gerard Meijssen
gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the set up
of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine.
Ehm, you probably misunderstood me. I did not try to say that they will not
be accepted, I tried exactly to avoid saying things like that. I think we
cannot make any decision on that - and that the question is more complicated
than it is put now. Chapcom has not been invented for academic matters,
On 27 September 2010 10:14, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote:
Hoi,
I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the set up
of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving them
a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 19:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
If the Kosovans are willing to wait, it would be make our lives much
easier if we wait until the international community makes up their
minds, but that could take a while (it's been 2.5 years already).
I started to
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 19:13, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
If the Kosovans are willing to wait, it would be make our lives much
easier if we wait until the international community makes up their
minds,
not to promote Serbia union nor
Kosovo independence.
Message: 2
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 14:09:02 +0200
From: Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100
Press Release
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
foundation-l
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 22:02, Joan Goma jrg...@gmail.com wrote:
Think big Milos. Wikimedia Germany is even better organized than Kosovo. Let
Kosovo alone and put Germany in Serbia.
This is the good point. I am actually working on that. Seriously.
Who do you think can succeed better promoting
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 07:55:39PM +0200, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
snip sfk2010 press release
Question: People are interested in- and asking me about- how to found a
wikimedia chapter in
Kosovo. I'm not an expert on setting up a chapter.
Who are the experts on this?
sincerely,
Look here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide
and here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_chapter_FAQ.
--
Leinad
2010/9/26 Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl:
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 07:55:39PM +0200, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
snip sfk2010 press
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 14:58, Daniel ~ Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com wrote:
Look here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide
and here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_chapter_FAQ.
Plus to convince voting ChapCom members enough that it is good idea to
convince WM
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 06:29:42PM +0200, Milos Rancic wrote:
On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 14:58, Daniel ~ Leinad danny.lei...@gmail.com wrote:
Look here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide
and here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_chapter_FAQ.
Plus to
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