Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for sharing that, fred. It is interesting indeed! Are you going to be in nyc by any chance this wknd? samuel klein. s...@laptop.org. +1 617 529 4266 On Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM, Fred Benenson fred.benen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi There, Im a long time lurker on this list but work for

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-25 Thread Fred Benenson
Yes here now. On Saturday, July 25, 2009, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing that, fred.  It is interesting indeed!  Are you going to be in nyc by any chance this wknd? samuel klein. �...@laptop.org.  +1 617 529 4266 On Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM, Fred Benenson

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, I was at the Tropenmuseum the other day .. they said that this commercial notion is old hat.. Sharing collections, engaging the public is what ensures the future of museums. So I am hopeful that the Tropenmuseum is right and will prove to be so. The thing is they do not need to be right

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-22 Thread wiki-lists
Peter Gervai wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:05, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Peter Gervai wrote: Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by making it public. This may come as a shock to

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 17:43, Sage Rossragesoss+wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Hold up!  This is User:Jerry Avenaim, and he has contributed some of his low-resolution photographs, and even a higher-resolution one of Mark Marmon that is a Featured Picture on en-wiki. Thanks for the info, for I

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the purpose of Commons, but somehow it did not draw

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: And in my opinion uploading a reduced resolution image, like 1-5 Megapixels is completely good and acceptable for our mission. These are already quite useful resolutions, while they still aren't fit for mainstream media.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Sage Ross
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Peter Gervaigrin...@gmail.com wrote: So it seems just what I have guessed: the reporter misinterpreting someone. The slashdot summary includes the choice quotes that are a bit out of context, but in the original article it starts off the section with Avenaim by

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi. True but not in the context of the WMF. Thanks, GerardM 2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk Peter Gervai wrote: Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by making it public.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk: If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share cropping with Google Ads, using the

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread wiki-lists
David Gerard wrote: 2009/7/21 wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk: If you have a personal use, want to illustrating an article or blog that is not Adsense rich, have an academic use, or a small scale fundraising non-profit fine take what you want. If on the other hand you are share cropping with

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Ray Saintonge
wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made Wikipedia a top-ten website and must be doing all right from it isn't enough to convince

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Sage Ross
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 5:28 PM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: ...a properly viral licence will constrain the commercial publisher with the requirement that any use by him will also render his new context for that photograph just as available for free use as the photograph itself.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread wiki-lists
Ray Saintonge wrote: wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made Wikipedia a top-ten website and must be doing all right from it isn't

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Robert Rohde
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 3:02 PM, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: David Gerard wrote: Explaining this to professional content creators and media companies leads to exploding heads. Pointing out that giving it all away has made

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Peter Gervai
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 21:05, wiki-li...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Peter Gervai wrote: Usually I do not get it why people choose NC licenses all the time while there's usually a low probability to actually _lose_ money by making it public. This may come as a shock to you but its not about

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
2009/7/20 K. Peachey p858sn...@yahoo.com.au Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad --- Recent photographs on Wikipedia are almost exclusively the work of amateurs who don't mind giving away their work. 'Amateur may be too kind a

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Stephen Bain
Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad ... 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow photographers to maintain the copyright.' We should definitely take

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Huib!
Hello, I think the writer should have looked on Commons longer and he would have find beautifull images. We work on Wikimedia with a lot of people doing the best the can, and the message read above is disrespectfull to our volunteers. Nobody start with perfect photo's, even the best photographer

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Huib!
Hello, I think the writer should have looked on Commons longer and he would have find beautifull images. We work on Wikimedia with a lot of people doing the best the can, and the message read above is disrespectfull to our volunteers. Nobody start with perfect photo's, even the best photographer

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread David Gerard
2009/7/20 Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com: 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow photographers to maintain the copyright.' We should definitely take

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 12:38 PM, Stephen Bainstephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad ... 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Peter Gervai
Ultimately the issue for professional photographers who might want to donate their work is copyright. 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If they truly wanted to elevate the image on the site, they should allow photographers

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
I think there ate two issues here, not one, even though all the replies concentrate on just one issue: 1) why (good quality) pictues do not make it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the purpose of

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the purpose of Commons, but somehow it did not draw enough attention. Realistically, if somebody uploaded a good picture (not

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-20 Thread Sage Ross
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Peter Gervaigrin...@gmail.com wrote: Ultimately the issue for professional photographers who might want to donate their work is copyright. 'To me the problem is the Wikipedia rule of public use,' says Jerry Avenaim, a celebrity photographer. 'If they truly