Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2011-01-01 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
It wouldn't be all that hard. Elements are either inline or block elements. Inline elements insert into the text flow, while text flows around block elements. If we make the distinction as simple as that, and disallow all methods of positioning other than that which is natively available in wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-31 Thread Platonides
Ryan Lomonaco wrote: I think this has been brought up before, but a thought I've had: Apart from the fact that it will require a ton of work in coding, what would keep us from separating templates (and, for that matter, images) from the article text? Article text would exist by itself, and

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
Really good points. I still advocate moving the possibility for these ugly constructs to templates, so that we keep all the magic tricks we have now, but lose the ability to make an article that is write only by littering it with code that only the wikigods and the parser itself could decypher.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-30 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
I think this has been brought up before, but a thought I've had: Apart from the fact that it will require a ton of work in coding, what would keep us from separating templates (and, for that matter, images) from the article text? Article text would exist by itself, and categories, templates,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-29 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 5:28 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Let me riff on what you're saying here (partly just to confirm that I understand fully what you're saying). It'd be very cool to have the ability to declare a single article, or probably more helpfully, a single

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Brion Vibber
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:43 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: e.g. Wikia has WYSIWYG editing and templates. They have a sort of solution to template editing in WYSIWYG. It's not great, but people sort of cope. How did they get there? What can be done to make it better,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Mono mium
How about attacking the problem by using something that already exists... - The Wikimedia Foundation gets a lot of support from Google, financially. How about we ask for some technology support as well? Google has a completely plugin-independant JS-based editor in Google Docs, as well

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Rob Lanphier
Hi Brion, Thanks for laying out the problem so clearly! I agree wholeheartedly that we need to avoid thinking about this problem too narrowly as a user interface issue on top of existing markup+templates. More inline: On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 9:27 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: This

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] Big problem to solve: good WYSIWYG on WMF wikis

2010-12-28 Thread Stephanie Daugherty
On Tue, Dec 28, 2010 at 8:28 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Let me riff on what you're saying here (partly just to confirm that I understand fully what you're saying). It'd be very cool to have the ability to declare a single article, or probably more helpfully, a single