Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-09-21 Thread emijrp
Hi all; Just like the scripts to preserve wikis[1], I'm working in a new script to download all Wikimedia Commons images packed by day. But I have limited spare time. Sad that volunteers have to do this without any help from Wikimedia Foundation. I started too an effort in meta: (with low

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-09-20 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Jun 02, 2011 at 02:24:37PM +0200, Ziko van Dijk wrote: Hello Fae, There should be no explicit statement because the WMF holds it self-evident to preserve. That reminds me of something O:-) Perhaps something like this? We, the wikimedia movement, hold these truths to be self

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-03 Thread Ryan Kaldari
We already have a policy covering data preservation and recovery under any foreseeable disaster scenarios: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:TERMINAL ;) Ryan Kaldari On 6/2/11 4:44 PM, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:11, Neil Harrisn...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: Tape is -- still

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-03 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 5:17 PM, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: On 03/06/11 00:44, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:11, Neil Harrisn...@tonal.clara.co.uk  wrote: Tape is -- still -- your friend here. Flip the write-protect after writing, have two sets of off-site tapes,

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-03 Thread Fae
Hi, As a follow-up to my original question, my brief presentation today at the all day Wellcome Trust research images workshop went down well and everyone was happy to see in perpetuity as a commitment. Thanks for the comments made in this thread, they did influence the nature of my discussions.

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, It is the explicit goal of the Wikimedia Foundation to make information available for as long as it exist. In addition to this, there are several copies at the Internet Archive. If there is no statement that satisfies your need, it will not be hard for the WMF board to come up with one.

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello Fae, There should be no explicit statement because the WMF holds it self-evident to preserve. The bigger problem might be the project scope. I don't know what kind of images your academic partners wishes to upload. Kind regards Ziko 2011/6/2 Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com:

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2011 13:24, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: There should be no explicit statement because the WMF holds it self-evident to preserve. The bigger problem might be the project scope. I don't know what kind of images your academic partners wishes to upload. There's also

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Fae, 02/06/2011 13:29: I'm taking part in an images discussion workshop with a number of academics tomorrow and could do with a statement about the WMF's long term commitment to supporting Wikimedia Commons (and other projects) in terms of the public availability of media. Is there an official

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fae
Briefly responding to a couple of points raised so far: Yes, there is a need for a policy as otherwise the WMF would have no long term operational archive plan. Self evident is insufficient in order to budget and plan in a credible way. If as the planned outcome of a research project I had a

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fred Bauder
Briefly responding to a couple of points raised so far: Yes, there is a need for a policy as otherwise the WMF would have no long term operational archive plan. Self evident is insufficient in order to budget and plan in a credible way. If as the planned outcome of a research project I had a

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2011 15:19, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: I think what needs to happen is to explore ways to cooperate using each institutions relative assets. That might include, for example, endowing Commons with assets sufficient to support long term archival services as well as a

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Milos Rancic
On 06/02/2011 02:27 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 2 June 2011 13:24, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote: There should be no explicit statement because the WMF holds it self-evident to preserve. The bigger problem might be the project scope. I don't know what kind of images your academic

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread FT2
There are two caveats: nobody can tell the future of human cultural history or any individual legal organization, and while the repository and wikis as a whole, and virtually all legally hostable media of genuine value, are preserved indefinitely, obviously no guarantee can be given concerning

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fred Bauder
OH, I see: Don't put your eggs all in one basket. Fred There are two caveats: nobody can tell the future of human cultural history or any individual legal organization, and while the repository and wikis as a whole, and virtually all legally hostable media of genuine value, are preserved

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fred Bauder
OH, I see: Don't put your eggs all in one basket. Fred Actually, that is the benefit of giving Commons access to archives of images. Access by Commons under its license conventions gives access to everyone and results in all interesting images going viral. There are images of little or no

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 June 2011 14:21, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Briefly responding to a couple of points raised so far: Yes, there is a need for a policy as otherwise the WMF would have no long term operational archive plan. Why would we have an archive plan? Archives are for things that aren't expected to

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fae
Sure Tom, here's a SciFi user story: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is delayed due to an ongoing DoS attack from Eastern European countries. The switchover

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Sure Tom, here's a SciFi user story: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is delayed due to an ongoing DoS

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread David Gerard
On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is delayed due to an ongoing DoS attack from Eastern European countries.

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fred Bauder
On 2 June 2011 14:21, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Briefly responding to a couple of points raised so far: Yes, there is a need for a policy as otherwise the WMF would have no long term operational archive plan. Why would we have an archive plan? Archives are for things that aren't expected

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Wjhonson
Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, Jun 2, 2011 11:01 am Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive? On 2 June 2011 14:21, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Briefly responding to a couple

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 6:21 AM, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: Briefly responding to a couple of points raised so far: Yes, there is a need for a policy as otherwise the WMF would have no long term operational archive plan. Self evident is insufficient in order to budget and plan in a credible

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread teun spaans
to make their later-historical story useless by deleting the picture ? -Original Message- From: Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, Jun 2, 2011 11:01 am Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Fae
Thanks Phoebe, for my presentation I'll highlight long term preservation in perpetuity as the key point of interest and reflect some of the other issues raised on this thread about the suitability for certain types of donation. I'm not expecting a WMF policy overnight, just thought that there

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread George Herbert
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The emergency hot switchover to Hong Kong is

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread phoebe ayers
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:52 AM, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2011 18:48, Fae fae...@gmail.com wrote: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Neil Harris
On 02/06/11 19:52, George Herbert wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:55 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 June 2011 18:48, Faefae...@gmail.com wrote: In 2016 San Francisco has a major earthquake and the servers and operational facilities for the WMF are damaged beyond repair. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Mark Wagner
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:11, Neil Harris n...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: Tape is -- still -- your friend here. Flip the write-protect after writing, have two sets of off-site tapes, one copy of each in each of two secure and widely separated off-site locations run by two different

Re: [Foundation-l] Request: WMF commitment as a long term cultural archive?

2011-06-02 Thread Neil Harris
On 03/06/11 00:44, Mark Wagner wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 16:11, Neil Harrisn...@tonal.clara.co.uk wrote: Tape is -- still -- your friend here. Flip the write-protect after writing, have two sets of off-site tapes, one copy of each in each of two secure and widely separated off-site