Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Henning Schlottmann
Austin Hair wrote: A mailing list, however, is different. A mailing list is a conversation. Everyone's been in a conversation where a single person dominated, and no matter how smart or charismatic or entertaining he may be, dominating a conversation minimizes the chance for other people to

Re: [Foundation-l] Moderate this list

2009-09-13 Thread Mark Williamson
But please, not on this list.  This list is fine as it is. Says who? Mark ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Дана Saturday 12 September 2009 20:03:32 Thomas Dalton написа: People will make bad decisions, estimates, projections, guesses, conclusions sometimes; it happens. We spot them the second time around, once we've realised they're wrong, fix them, and move on. By that time that harm may have

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:01 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/9/12 Yann Forget y...@forget-me.net: Thomas Dalton wrote: While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a non-profit. They

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:36 AM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: For every one of the few people who complain, I'll bet money that there are at least ten who don't speak up on the list, because other people are championing the cause already; for every one of those there's probably

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Brianna Laugher
2009/9/13 Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net: This whole issue is one of information processing. Everyone has to learn how to deal with information in large amounts and on different media. But there have been a few generations of experience we can plug in, there are best practices and

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Austin Hair wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 7:46 PM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Seems to me that the mailing list is working just fine, despite a few people who complain far too much about the volume of traffic, or about the occasional tendency to irrelevant comments. They

Re: [Foundation-l] Moderate this list

2009-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 3:41 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: But please, not on this list. This list is fine as it is. Says who? Presumably whoever wrote that statement. But I'd like to clarify it. I think we could use more active administrators, who actively participate in

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: A mailing list, however, is different. A mailing list is a conversation. Everyone's been in a conversation where a single person dominated, and no matter how smart or charismatic or entertaining he may be, dominating a

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: While that is true, it is also important to remember that most people setting up a chapter have next to no experience of running a non-profit. They don't know what is and

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/13 John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com: I am also shocked by this very broad brush. You are not just saying that they lack experience, or competence - you are saying that chapters are likely to misuse funds. You are putting words in my mouth. I haven't specified a probability that a

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Austin Hair
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually. If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem. I think it's fairly clear that I dispute the factualness of your statement. Last time I checked, being a

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually. If you are offended by statements of fact, that is your problem. I think it's fairly clear that I dispute the factualness of your

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread effe iets anders
can someone kill this thread? Thanks. 2009/9/13 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com 2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Wow, that's... pretty offensive, actually. If you are offended by statements of

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/13 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com: can someone kill this thread? Thanks. Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

[Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Erik Zachte
For the record, I am one of those who did not speak up yet (ref Austin) who would hope some of our power posters felt less need to share every thought with the rest of us. In a public debate few people with a firm stance can be convinced to change their mind, so most polemical posts can only

Re: [Foundation-l] Moderate this list

2009-09-13 Thread Mark Williamson
Fine for whom? Fine for you? It comes as no surprise to me and probably to anybody else that you are fine with the lack of formal structured posting rules. You made 77 posts to this list last month, surpassed only by Thomas Dalton at 98. Compare 3rd and 4th place: 57 for GerardM and 40 for Greg

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Mark Williamson
People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the venue. skype: node.ue On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 7:31 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 9:36 PM, Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com wrote: A mailing list, however, is different.  A mailing list is a conversation.  

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the venue. And if the person in charge of the venue considers me to be a net detriment, I hope and expect that I will be asked, privately, to leave, at which point I will

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Mark Williamson
How am I heckling you? I'm just stating the facts. There's no need for this to turn into a fight. On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 1:46 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:34 PM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: People are complaining to whoever is in charge of the

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/13 Austin Hair adh...@gmail.com: I've personally met some of the most prolific posters to Foundation-l, and not one I can think of is the type to dominate a conversation in person. *cough* I am, but consciously try to moderate it. A bit. I'm encouraged by how the discussion's

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 6:51 PM, Erik Zachte erikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote: For the record, I am one of those who did not speak up yet (ref Austin) who would hope some of our power posters felt less need to share every thought with the rest of us. In a public debate few people with a firm

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009

2009-09-13 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta wal...@email.com: Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned expenses. I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should provide you with some information. Thank you very much, I

Re: [Foundation-l] Moderate this list

2009-09-13 Thread Ray Saintonge
Pavlo Shevelo wrote: Isn't temporarily blocking such a user a way to calm him/her down? I Yes it might be the way, but far not universal way. And it should be the last (ultimate) in moderator toolkit, far not the first to be used. Sure. And in these situations a short-term block

Re: [Foundation-l] Report to the Board of Trustees June 2009-

2009-09-13 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Sun, Sep 13, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/9/13 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com: can someone kill this thread? Thanks. Why? Misuse of foundation funds is very much within the scope of this list. Yes, but misuse of this list is very much