[Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. Can someone explain the Wikimedia / PediaPress relationship to me? They just got spammed on the Wikimedia blog[1] yesterday, which reminded me that I've never really understood the nature of this relationship. I don't understand why this specific company/organization has been given special

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Peter Gervai
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 09:55, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I also don't understand who would want a printed copy of a Wikipedia article. Me neither, but if some people want it, why not. Like: - to show non-internet people that that wikipedia thing is not another

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 08:50 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 11/11/2010 07:31 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: * Ideally, they would be stories of people who pre-exposure-to-Wikipedia would have had circumscribed access to information.

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread Delphine Ménard
Hello, Megan might want to contact Valérie75 http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilisateur:Val%C3%A9rie75, who ended up writing books about the topics she contributed to on Wikipédia. The books are not under a free license (I don't think), but have received good press in their domain (ornitohology,

[Foundation-l] Glycerol information

2010-11-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 11/11/2010 08:50 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 6:47 PM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs  wrote: On 11/11/2010 07:31 AM, Sue Gardner wrote: * Ideally, they would be stories of people who

Re: [Foundation-l] Glycerol information

2010-11-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 11:16 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs wrote: Back when we were under sanctions, it was impossible to buy antifreeze (or it was prohibitively expensive). So, my father remembered that in one of the books in our home

Re: [Foundation-l] Glycerol information

2010-11-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 9:51 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.rs wrote: On 11/11/2010 11:16 AM, John Vandenberg wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Nikola Smolenskismole...@eunet.rs  wrote: Back when we were under sanctions, it was impossible to buy antifreeze (or it was prohibitively

Re: [Foundation-l] Glycerol information

2010-11-11 Thread Aaron Adrignola
I will try to address several points brought up by Nikola Smolenski. Regarding the lack of interlinking between books at Wikibooks, you have to understand that each book is usually designed to stand alone, without having to link to other books or even Wikipedia. While some might wonder why

[Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

2010-11-11 Thread Mike Dupont
Hi there, I have seen a big problem in getting people to contribute in kosovo to wikipedia except the Kosovo article, there they dont call in *Kosovo and Metohija*i, so I think there is a president for the english and albanian names in wikipedia. most of the names are in serbian, with strange

Re: [Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

2010-11-11 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 11/11/2010 03:26 PM, Mike Dupont wrote: so I think there is a president for the english and albanian names in wikipedia. most of the names are in serbian, with strange characters that I cannot even type. this offends most contributors and prevents locals from contributing. also the serbs

Re: [Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

2010-11-11 Thread Mike Dupont
I think that at least a consistent listing of both names is needed, expecially on the links. I have had to fight with simple unwillingness to list both names in serbian and albanian on all things. On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 4:48 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Hi there, I have seen

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/10/2010 10:32:00 PM Pacific Standard Time, sgard...@wikimedia.org writes: (Donors often send us stories like that, and I am often looking for stories to tell people about the projects. So I've asked her to send good ones to me.) I would be interested in seeing

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread Andrea Zanni
Well, I know I'm boring, but Eco said something related to this topic. He started the interview stating: I am a compulsive user of Wikipedia, also for *arthritic* reasons: the more my back hurts, the more it costs me to get up and go to check the Treccani, so if I may find someone's birthday on

Re: [Foundation-l] What can we do? (was: Copyright terms, again)

2010-11-11 Thread David Gerard
On 11 November 2010 18:25, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: However, this is not the full list of possibilities. Canada should be the option, too. Other countries? If WMF is not able to hold such servers, we have chapters. Chapters would be ideal bodies to build up servers for such

Re: [Foundation-l] What can we do? (was: Copyright terms, again)

2010-11-11 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Milos Rancic, 11/11/2010 19:25: I know that Yann Forget moved (or started?) his project wikilivres.info to Canada exactly because of that reason. However, this is not a systemic effort, but personal one. There's also http://biblioteca.wikimedia.it which was opened by WMI for some PD-Italy

Re: [Foundation-l] What can we do? (was: Copyright terms, again)

2010-11-11 Thread emijrp
And what can we do with stuff like this?[1] [1] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Benutzer_Diskussion:Emijrpoldid=81381631 2010/11/11 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com Milos Rancic, 11/11/2010 19:25: I know that Yann Forget moved (or started?) his project wikilivres.info to

Re: [Foundation-l] Looking for stories of readers affected by Wikipedia

2010-11-11 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
Dear Sue, Better yet, check this out: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado#Block Warmest regards, Virgilio At 06:31 11-11-2010, you wrote: Hi folks, Megan Hernandez on the staff is looking out for me, for stories of readers whose lives have been impacted by Wikipedia or the

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 11/11/10 19:47, MZMcBride wrote: I don't understand why this specific company/organization has been given special status (when there are surely thousands of companies looking to partner with Wikimedia). They had a custom MediaWiki extension installed[2] that has a very prominent place in

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: On 11/11/10 19:47, MZMcBride wrote: I don't understand why this specific company/organization has been given special status (when there are surely thousands of companies looking to partner with Wikimedia). They had a custom MediaWiki extension installed[2] that has a very

Re: [Foundation-l] naming of things in kosovo

2010-11-11 Thread geni
On 11 November 2010 14:26, Mike Dupont jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote: Ideally we would use the albanian names and encourage the locals to edit. No ideally we would use the English names. As we have established with say Germany and Norway what the locals happen to call something is of

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I've read Wikimedia's PediaPress press release[1] a few times now and I still can't figure out if PediaPress is a non-profit organization or a for-profit company. I think there's a large distinction between the Wikimedia Foundation taking a

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/11/2010 6:23:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, z...@mzmcbride.com writes: I think focusing energy and efforts on creating print versions of Wikipedia articles is antithetical to the idea of creating an online encyclopedia. The benefits of the Internet (and more

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 1:23 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Tim Starling wrote: .. This distribution concept predates the Foundation, and has been consistently supported by Jimmy and others. It's not antithetical to anything. I think focusing energy and efforts on creating print

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread SlimVirgin
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 20:23, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I've read Wikimedia's PediaPress press release[1] a few times now and I still can't figure out if PediaPress is a non-profit organization or a for-profit company. PediaPress is a limited company (GmbH) and seems to be part of

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread John Vandenberg
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:12 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 20:23, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I've read Wikimedia's PediaPress press release[1] a few times now and I still can't figure out if PediaPress is a non-profit organization or a for-profit

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread SlimVirgin
On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 21:20, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 2:12 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 20:23, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I've read Wikimedia's PediaPress press release[1] a few times now and I still can't

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread MZMcBride
wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/11/2010 6:23:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, z...@mzmcbride.com writes: I think focusing energy and efforts on creating print versions of Wikipedia articles is antithetical to the idea of creating an online encyclopedia. The benefits of the

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Erik Moeller
A bit of general background: The Collection/Book creator feature allows managing, organizing and exporting content in PDF and in OpenDocument (the latter is still very buggy). We're planning to work with PediaPress to add OpenZIM support (useful for offline readers like Kiwix); EPUB is a

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Liam Wyatt
If we're concerned about the WMF referring in its blog to a for-profit organisation that happens to be working with us in a way that is open-source, offline and furthering our mission to distribute our content widely, why did no one complain about the OpenMoko Wikireader being in the WMF blog:

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 12/11/10 13:23, MZMcBride wrote: They negotiated with Wikimedia? Where and when? How many thousands of companies would like their links in the sidebar of the fifth most-visited website in the world? Are they really that good at negotiating? On the English Wikipedia, there's a Book namespace

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread MZMcBride
Liam Wyatt wrote: I suspect that the issue lies not with the fact that you are only a couple of clicks away from the PediaPress bookprinting service from every Wikipedia article, but more the fact that the PediaPress system is the *only *service listed on the page

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread SlimVirgin
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 00:07, Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com wrote: There are several examples of commercial services being used in Wikimedia projects that are integrated in a way that is acceptable because they further our mission of sharing free-cultural resources effectively: Liam, none of

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Sarah, I would put it somehow differently. If Virgin Ventures has a tool with which a newbie (or also an oldbie) can in a very intuitive way construct a well formatted article from the scrap, so something like that magic editor we had talked about for long time and never realized until

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread MZMcBride
Tim Starling wrote: On 12/11/10 13:23, MZMcBride wrote: They negotiated with Wikimedia? Where and when? How many thousands of companies would like their links in the sidebar of the fifth most-visited website in the world? Are they really that good at negotiating? On the English Wikipedia,

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/11/2010 10:08:33 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, liamwy...@gmail.com writes: If there is another organisation out there that offers a printing-and-binding service that is comparable to what PediaPress offers then we could/should add it to the list but I don't believe

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Peter Gervai
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 08:06, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: So the real issue here shouldn't be whether any other book binder is comparable, but rather whether any other book binder *wants* to be listed. Right on spot. Does any? Are there any others? I'm for listing them all. g

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread MZMcBride
Ting Chen wrote: I would put it somehow differently. If Virgin Ventures has a tool with which a newbie (or also an oldbie) can in a very intuitive way construct a well formatted article from the scrap, so something like that magic editor we had talked about for long time and never realized

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-11 Thread Tim Starling
On 12/11/10 17:55, MZMcBride wrote: There are thousands of potential projects that Wikimedia could engage in that would fit perfectly within the current mission statement[1] and thousands more that would loosely fit in. I use the word mission in the broad sense, i.e. what we are trying to do

[Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-11 Thread geni
Should we offer to host citizendium? Okey get over the instinctive reaction. ==The background== Those who have read this week's signpost will be aware that citizendium is in significant financial difficulties. If not see the end of the briefly section: