[Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Milos Rancic
For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to me quite normal for a long time. I tried to make a parallel between Roma people and

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Steven Walling
(To my knowledge) no one has an answer to this question that is backed by rigorous research. This is one vital demographic question to ask, but just looking at the sparse (self-selected) Category at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:African_American_Wikipedians is not really evidence that

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to me quite

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread theo10011
Well why only African American Wikimedians, I think the issue might be the same with other Racial Minorities in the US. How about Hispanic American or Asian American Wikimedians. Apart from social issues inherent to minorities, I think there might be something worth looking into, I doubt there

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the second sentence of his en.wiki article. It

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Fred Bauder
For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to me quite normal for a long time. I tried to make a parallel between Roma people and

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Nathan
The short answer: Wikipedia editors are volunteers and African-Americans rarely volunteer. The medium answer: African-American editors often edit only articles which relate to African-American and do that in a point of view way. The long answer: large blocks of African-American are

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello, In fact, I cannot remember that I have ever met in Germany or the Netherlands a Turkish or Moroccan Wikimedian. Maybe there was one, but he spoke good German and presented himself as User:Encylco-dude81 so that I did not notice the migration background. :-) According to the statistics

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Strainu
2010/11/17 wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African American, as it says in the second sentence

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Strainu
2010/11/18 Strainu strain...@gmail.com: 2010/11/17  wjhon...@aol.com: In a message dated 11/17/2010 1:23:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, steven.wall...@gmail.com writes: Also, point of quibbling as an American: not looking to argue about it, but Obama is generally thought of as African

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Fred Bauder
The short answer: Wikipedia editors are volunteers and African-Americans rarely volunteer. The medium answer: African-American editors often edit only articles which relate to African-American and do that in a point of view way. The long answer: large blocks of African-American are

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/17  wjhon...@aol.com: Obama is exactly half-black and half-white. Funny how he is African American but of course he is equally Caucasian American Which shows only hot dangerous political correctness can get. I

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Fred Bauder
Hello, In fact, I cannot remember that I have ever met in Germany or the Netherlands a Turkish or Moroccan Wikimedian. Maybe there was one, but he spoke good German and presented himself as User:Encylco-dude81 so that I did not notice the migration background. :-) According to the

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Sue Gardner
On 17 November 2010 13:35, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to me quite

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Brian J Mingus
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:43 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread phoebe ayers
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 2:05 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to me quite

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 9:40 AM, Sue Gardner sgard...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 17 November 2010 13:35, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread MZMcBride
Fred Bauder wrote: [a bunch of inflammatory comments] ... and an entire mailing list facepalms. Good grief, Fred. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Philippe Beaudette
We tested Kartika earlier this week, and it did very very well. So we're putting together a campaign based around editor appeals, and many of the folks we have are not ... well, people who look like me. So I'm very happy about that. pb ___ Philippe Beaudette Head of

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread MZMcBride
George Herbert wrote: Obligatory current event tie-in - Could we get a more multi-ethnic I am a Wikipedian campaign going for the fundraising drive? As attractive looking as Jimmy is, the community isn't a million clones of him. Seeing more of the variety would certainly help attract

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread George Herbert
Ah, bueno. I was unaware of the Kartika version; excellent that the Foundation's already figured it out and was working on it. Thanks, Philippe and MzMcBride. Good job to whoever thought it up earlier and did the test run. On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 3:32 PM, Philippe Beaudette

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2010/11/17 Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com: According to the statistics only 0.2% of the page views in Germany go to Wikipedia in Turkish, by the way.Turks in Germany belong largely to social classes that tend not to read much in an encyclopedia, and when they need one for school, they

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Fred Bauder
ve to get more contributors. The short answer: snip this seems like a whole lot of unfounded (and fairly offensive) generalizations? If you're really making a class-based argument, then yes, I think the privileges of having free time, a decent education and good internet access are all

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Ryan Kaldari
So for 200 years it's OK to classify anyone with a drop of African blood as black (and subject them to all forms of racism and discrimination), but once a 1/2 African is elected president, he can't be called black all the sudden? References: [1]

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to me

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Oh, and as an afterthought, compare our articles on hip-hop[1] on the English Wikipedia to our coverage of country music[2]. 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jay-Z 2. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanci_Griffith -- ~Keegan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Keegan

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Sue Gardner
On 17 November 2010 15:39, George Herbert george.herb...@gmail.com wrote: Ah, bueno.  I was unaware of the Kartika version; excellent that the Foundation's already figured it out and was working on it. Thanks, Philippe and MzMcBride.  Good job to whoever thought it up earlier and did the test

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Fred Bauder
On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: For some time I am a bit puzzled by the fact that I don't know any African American Wikimedian. For some time just because I am living in a European country without African population, so everything seemed to

Re: [Foundation-l] A question for American Wikimedians

2010-11-17 Thread Keegan Peterzell
I would not wish that world upon anyone, Fred. African Americans are underrepresented for the same reason that Native Americans and about 300 ethnic groups are: lack of internet access and, with access emerging, learning how to engage in the internet. It's not because any specific group does not