[Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
The Google test used to be a tool for checking the notability of a subject or to find sources about it. For some languages it may be also used for other purposes - for example in Hebrew, the spelling of which is not established so well, it is very frequently used for finding the most common

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Nikola Smolenski
On 12/08/2010 12:46 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: The Google test used to be a tool for checking the notability of a subject or to find sources about it. For some languages it may be also used for other purposes - for example in Hebrew, the spelling of which is not established so well, it is very

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Stephen Bain
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 10:46 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: For some time i used to fight this problem by adding -site:wikipedia.org-site: wapedia.mobi -site:miniwiki.org etc. to my search queries, but i hit a wall: Google limits the search string to 32 words, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Brazilian Portuguese Wikipedia

2010-12-08 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 22:23:55 +, BĂ©ria Lima berial...@gmail.com wrote: Not very friendly to go with your first message. But let's try again in a more polite way: We have bot articles? Yes we have, several bots create most of citys of France and some of Spain, German and Russia in

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Fred Bauder
If the copyright license has been followed -wikipedia should exclude all clones. However, often, material is copied without crediting it to Wikipedia. Fred User:Fred Bauder The Google test used to be a tool for checking the notability of a subject or to find sources about it. For some

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 15:42, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: If the copyright license has been followed -wikipedia should exclude all clones. However, often, material is copied without crediting it to Wikipedia. Yes, but that may also exclude sites that are useful and original, but

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 December 2010 15:26, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Yes, but that may also exclude sites that are useful and original, but happen to mention Wikipedia. Add -quoted sentence from article intro to the search? - d. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Mike Dupont
Sounds like we need to have a notable search engine that includes only approved and allowed sources, that would be nice to have. On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 5:08 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 December 2010 15:26, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: Yes, but that

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Andrew Gray
On 8 December 2010 11:46, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: For some time i used to fight this problem by adding -site:wikipedia.org-site: wapedia.mobi -site:miniwiki.org etc. to my search queries, but i hit a wall: Google limits the search string to 32 words, and today

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread praveenp
On Wednesday 08 December 2010 05:16 PM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: I know that some Wikipedias customized Special:Search, adding other search engines except Wikipedias built-in one. I tried to see whether any Wikipedia added an ability to search using Google (or Bing, or Yahoo, or any other search

Re: [Foundation-l] excluding Wikipedia clones from searching

2010-12-08 Thread Mike Dupont
I thought about this more, It would be to extract a list of all pages that are included as ref in the WP. We would use this for the search engine. we should also make sure that all referenced pages (not linked ones) are stored in archive.org or someplace permanent. I wonder if there is some API to

Re: [Foundation-l] Foundation-L Mirrors

2010-12-08 Thread WJhonson
What is the perceived limitation(s) on mirroring this email list ? That is, making copies of it, on other sites. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-08 Thread Virgilio A. P. Machado
Still practicing, after all these years. From the information provided to this list, it is reasonable to assume that other wikipedians, besides this one, have been dealt with by other arbcomcs, besides the pt.wiki arbcom, by their real names, like Virgilio A. P. Machado, NOT their user names,

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-08 Thread FT2
Look up English Arbcom history. There have been several cases there. But real people at Arbitration (whatever community) are best not publicized - we aim not to harm real people. A number of big cases included users under their real names, some smaller ones were named under people's real names

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-08 Thread FT2
I was thinking of another case, whose link on enwiki is [[Wikipedia:Requests for Arbitration/Real-name]]. That case had two users, both under their real names. One of them was the user whose real name was used for the case. Like John says, cases usually try to avoid using a real name where

Re: [Foundation-l] Accuracy required

2010-12-08 Thread Newyorkbrad
On the English Wikipedia, we generally try to avoid bringing editors' real names into decisions, unless the username is the real name. In the three years I've been an arbitrator, we have extended this courtesy even to some highly troublesome users. (Aficionadoes of the En-WP arbitration pages

[Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-08 Thread MZMcBride
Hi. The new banners and landing pages with Sue Gardner are using the phrase Wikipedia Executive Director; for example: http://wikimediafoundation.org/w/index.php?oldid=53090 I'm not a big fan of the smaller projects. On more than one occasion I've called for disbanding some of them. However,

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
FWIW The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and that's being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a bit more later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but the error in pushing it out to sister sites is being corrected right now, so I wanted

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-08 Thread Newyorkbrad
I agree that this factual error should be corrected (as we have told it is being corrected), but raising what was perfectly likely to have been an innocent error to the level of being morally wrong, without having even asked first, seems rhetorically excessive. Newyorkbrad On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-08 Thread Philippe Beaudette
For the record, MZMcBride did let me know that he was sending a nastygram. So while I disagree with his language choice, he checked first. \ pb On Dec 8, 2010, at 5:50 PM, Newyorkbrad wrote: I agree that this factual error should be corrected (as we have told it is being corrected), but

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Executive Director?

2010-12-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 12:47 PM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: FWIW The word Wikipedia wasn't supposed to make it to sister sites, and that's being fixed right now, so pardon my quick note... I'll write a bit more later about the term as being used on Wikipedia, but