Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Dan Collins
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: Well, the story with IWF have shown that the current system of blocking vandals by their IP has to be changed ASAP. In fact it is causing a lot of problems even without action of IWF and other similar wachdogs. There are

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2008/12/12 Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com: We all perfectly know that if this particular image was borderline, there are images or texts that are illegal in certain countries. I am not even speaking of China here, but good old westernish countries. In some countries, it may be

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Judson Dunn
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: The censorship issue isn't really an issue - if an image (or content or whatever) is genuinely illegal in a given country then of course that country has every right to block it. If countries block legal images (as

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
Not a response to your email, but the reaction in general strikes me as very inconsistent. With China they have been censored, they try and use TOR, and we block them, and say for years that there is regrettably nothing we can do about this situation. UK gets blocked for a day and we are

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Andrew Whitworth
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 9:01 AM, Judson Dunn cohes...@sleepyhead.org wrote: Not a response to your email, but the reaction in general strikes me as very inconsistent. With China they have been censored, they try and use TOR, and we block them, and say for years that there is regrettably

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, I don't see any alternative way to block anonymous users. Even forcing people to register wouldn't help since, without IP addresses, we can't block account creation by people creating new accounts every time

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
Long-time ago, I suggested adding a short-duration cookie whenever a block was triggered that would allow the software to detect the most obvious IP jumping vandals (asumming they used the same browser on the same machine each time). It doesn't get at the bulk of Tomek's criticism, but it

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Robert Rohde
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Long-time ago, I suggested adding a short-duration cookie whenever a block was triggered that would allow the software to detect the most obvious IP jumping vandals (asumming they used the same browser on the same

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Andrew Whitworth
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 10:50 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: Long-time ago, I suggested adding a short-duration cookie whenever a block was triggered that would allow the software to detect the most obvious IP jumping vandals (asumming they used the same browser on the same

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread geni
2008/12/12 David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com: I absolutely agree with Judson that we should be devoting exactly zero of our material and mental resources to thinking of ways to assist in the work of censors. The problems presented in this example are almost entirely those of a national

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Anthony
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/12 Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com: We all perfectly know that if this particular image was borderline, there are images or texts that are illegal in certain countries. I am not even speaking of China

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/12/12 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 5:52 AM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.comwrote: If tomorrow, a really illegal-in-UK image is reported to the IWF, they will block it for real. And they will block again editing. They didn't block editing. You did.

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/12 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org: The IWF said that contextual issues are important in the decision of whether or not they will keep the webpage on their list. They specifically reiterated that they still consider the image to be potentially illegal. The head of the IWF is potentially

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Phil Nash
Mike Godwin wrote: Anthony writes: I'm sure they're in the process of changing their review system to take these issues into account. At the same time, requiring *all* images to be found illegal before taking action, would not be a good idea. In this particular instance, however, it is

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-12 Thread Thomas Dalton
The IWF said that contextual issues are important in the decision of whether or not they will keep the webpage on their list. They specifically reiterated that they still consider the image to be potentially illegal. You expected them to actually admit to having made a mistake? Why would they