Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2008/12/22 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com: 2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: And Britannica has this totally weird feature - the article loads itself as soon as the scrollbar progresses through it. So even if it is free as in beer, it is obnoxiously inconvenient to copy text

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2008/12/22 teun spaans teun.spa...@gmail.com: but possibly illegal you can omit the word possibly. I dont see a copy left license at their site. It may be possible to copy from EB under fair use terms. On Wikipedia i don't even need to think about that (except some images...). -- Amir Elisha

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Nikola Smolenski
teun spaans wrote: but possibly illegal you can omit the word possibly. I dont see a copy left license at their site. You can copy it for your personal use :°♫ On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:29 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.comwrote: 2008/12/22 Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com:

[Foundation-l] Emphasis on edit

2008-12-22 Thread Milos Rancic
Many times we raised the issue that many (maybe majority of) users of Wikimedia content don't realize that it is possible to edit pages on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Last time I was talking about it a couple of days ago, during the conference in Belgrade, with a Polish Wikimedian,

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: The following Firefox bookmarklet may be useful: javascript:(function(){Darwin.Upsell.deactivate();})() Put it in a bookmark in your toolbar and click it to get rid of the annoying box. It doesn't come back until

Re: [Foundation-l] Emphasis on edit

2008-12-22 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Many times we raised the issue that many (maybe majority of) users of Wikimedia content don't realize that it is possible to edit pages on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Last time I was talking about it a couple of days ago, during the

Re: [Foundation-l] Emphasis on edit

2008-12-22 Thread Przykuta
Dnia 22 grudnia 2008 20:42 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com napisał(a): 2008/12/22 Milos Rancic : Many times we raised the issue that many (maybe majority of) users of Wikimedia content don't realize that it is possible to edit pages on Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects. Last time

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: If I understood well, the content of the online edition of Britannica became free (as in free beer, of course). They are putting some irritating screen with recommendation

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread geni
2008/12/22 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: They called the function upsell? *facepalm* Wikipedia doesn't need to do anything to compete with Britannica, just leave them to collapse under the weight of their own ineptitude. We should probably run a large public Save Britannica! campaign - how

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread David Goodman
Upsell is the name of the leading market research company in publishing--probably they are the ones who designed it. I'm suprised, for they are generally known as competent. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:17 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Mon,

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Milos Rancic
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:17 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: The following Firefox bookmarklet may be useful:

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread David Goodman
Sorry, wrong company name--I was thinking of another one --a truly competent one, Outsell, that has undoubtedly nothing to do with this nonsensical method of protection. On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:20 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: Upsell is the name of the leading market research

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Then, I wanted to see what is the value of Britannica; without success. It is a private company (in US sense of that meaning; public companies in European sense are just companies owned by some local or state government; and in some specific

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2008/12/22 David Gerard dger...@gmail.com: 2008/12/22 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: Then, I wanted to see what is the value of Britannica; without success. It is a private company (in US sense of that meaning; public companies in European sense are just companies owned by some local or

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/22 Tomasz Ganicz polime...@gmail.com: I don't like guys from Wikmedia projects speaking in some sort of supremacy language. Our goal is to create: a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. so if the Britannica or PWN or any other

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] (A tangential note: I consider NPOV to be our most important innovation - much more radical than merely letting anyone edit your encyclopedia. The concept of neutrality has existed in various guises, but not like

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread David Gerard
2008/12/22 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 5:38 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: (A tangential note: I consider NPOV to be our most important innovation - much more radical than merely letting anyone edit your encyclopedia. The concept of neutrality has

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Hay (Husky)
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 4:14 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I checked a larger biography, and it looked complete to me. Note that it uses ajax to load article sections as you scroll to them, so you have to scroll up and down the page to trigger all the ajax loads before you can

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Aude
I noticed that Britannica is using some creative commons images from Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons. Example: http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic-art/589288/113374/Courthouse-in-Denton-Texas http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Old_Courthouse_Denton_TX.jpg -Aude

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Delirium
David Gerard wrote: (A tangential note: I consider NPOV to be our most important innovation - much more radical than merely letting anyone edit your encyclopedia. The concept of neutrality has existed in various guises, but not like Wikipedia does it, with the consequences it has as a source

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-22 Thread geni
2008/12/23 Delirium delir...@hackish.org: Worriers about the perennial suggestions to put advertising somewhere on the site(s) might also like what appears to be the closest to a no-ads pledge I've seen so far: Like a national park or a school, we don't believe advertising should have a place

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Tim Starling
David Goodman wrote: Upsell is the name of the leading market research company in publishing--probably they are the ones who designed it. I'm suprised, for they are generally known as competent. No, that would be upsell as in: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Up-selling I'd give you a Britannica

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-22 Thread Chad
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/23 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com: Looks like the new appeal is working well. We seem to be on pace to have the best single day of this fund drive. -Robert Rohde Not sure. Still getting complaints among others

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-22 Thread Dan Collins
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:34 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:12 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2008/12/23 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com: Looks like the new appeal is working

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-22 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Dan Collins en.wp.s...@gmail.com wrote: Wait. Is donating supposed to make the banner go away? Because it didn't... No, there's a gadget and a collapse (only makes it smaller) button for that. -- Casey Brown Cbrown1023 --- Note: This e-mail address is

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimmy Wales donation appeal

2008-12-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 9:40 PM, Casey Brown cbrown1023...@gmail.com wrote: Some pretty nice comments mixed in there. ;-) They also do a good job explaining why we need money. [Jay: interesting to look at, might be nice to use some like their comments in the future] Some of it is just