Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: License update proposal

2009-01-29 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
First, right up top (not top posting; but noting something intentionally at the top of this posting), let me acknowledge that responding to one of ones own postings is considered bad form. But in my defense I will note that I am genuinely not doing so in order to prolong a thread well past its

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?

2009-01-29 Thread jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
Thanks for the encouragement, I would be willing to do some coding for this on my free time. My philosophy is evolutionary development. I could at least do a code review and design on how it would fit. Right now I am using the google docs to host polls, it is very good. I think the basic

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: License update proposal

2009-01-29 Thread Anthony
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: But I am sure there are no applicable moral rights to let's say correcting missing space around punctuation. I have made some studies, and it appears this last sentence is in

Re: [Foundation-l] Commons and The Year of the Picture

2009-01-29 Thread Guillaume Paumier
Hello, On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Geoffrey Plourde geo.p...@yahoo.com wrote: What he is pointing out is that the chapter set up the whole process, thus making them culpable. The French chapter didn't set up anything. The chapter merely agreed to accept the donations that the printer

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Chris Down
As a note, the images are watermarked, and I have notified the user. IUP states that this should not occur. - Chris On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 4:15 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: 2009/1/28 Andrew Whitworth wknight8...@gmail.com: Wikipedia would have to write some kind of

Re: [Foundation-l] Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy

2009-01-29 Thread Chad
I'm assuming the Image Use Policy. A gentle reminder to those on this list who hail from enwiki: not all of us speak in acronyms. -Chad On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 3:17 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi What is IUP ? Thanks, GerardM 2009/1/29 Chris Down

Re: [Foundation-l] Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy

2009-01-29 Thread Marcus Buck
Gerard Meijssen hett schreven: Hoi What is IUP ? Thanks, GerardM [[en:WP:IUP]] Marcus Buck ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Help-book made available in en Wikipedia against Licensing Policy

2009-01-29 Thread Chris Down
Specifically thishttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Image_use_policy#User-created_images . - Chris On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:36 PM, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: Gerard Meijssen hett schreven: Hoi What is IUP ? Thanks, GerardM [[en:WP:IUP]] Marcus Buck

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Robert Rohde
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-The_Missing_Manual_I_mediaobject_d1e29885.png -Robert Rohde On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:44 PM, Mark (Markie) newsmar...@googlemail.com wrote: i must admit i havent looked closely, but could you give us an example of an image where the watermark can be

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Mark (Markie)
thanks seems to me that they are on images which they own copyright on, so maybe its just that the files theyve used were from an online version or something? On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Chris Down
That page doesn't attribute the creator of the original image, either. - Chris On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wikipedia-The_Missing_Manual_I_mediaobject_d1e29885.png -Robert Rohde On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:44 PM,

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Mark (Markie)
well if they/john bought the image rights then they would own it, meaning that the credit is sufficient as it is. On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Chris Down neuro.wikipe...@googlemail.comwrote: That page doesn't attribute the creator of the original image, either. - Chris On Thu, Jan 29,

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Robert Rohde
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Chris Down neuro.wikipe...@googlemail.com wrote: That page doesn't attribute the creator of the original image, either. - Chris The original is however referenced in the image caption on the page where it is used:

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Chris Down
Okay, I'll move it to the image description page soon if someone hasn't done it already. - Chris On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:01 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Chris Down neuro.wikipe...@googlemail.com wrote: That page doesn't attribute the creator

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/1/28 Andrew Whitworth wknight8...@gmail.com: Wikipedia would have to write some kind of special exception to every rule to allow this book to exist there. We already have the only exception we need: IAR. (That doesn't means Wikibooks wouldn't handle it

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Ray Saintonge
Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/1/28 effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com: Maybe a silly question, but nobody is stopping anyone to copy it to Wikibooks. The question is mainly, should it be deleted from Wikipedia. I agree there with Erik, that this is clearly a community decision. Why

Re: [Foundation-l] Agreement between WMF and O'Reilly Media about Wikipedia: The Missing Manual on Wikipedia?

2009-01-29 Thread Ray Saintonge
Andrew Gray wrote: 2009/1/28 geni: Copyright issues mean that it will be heading for deletio n once we switch toi CC-BY-SA-3.0. Yes, along with all the other imported GFDL material... oh, wait, sorry, I mean all the material which a contributor has chosen to license under GFDL 1.2

[Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread private musings
G'day all, This is a sort of 'essay spam' I guess, so for those aspects of this post, I apologise! I've also been criticised on some Wikimedia projects for proposing policy http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Sexual_content, flooding and generally getting a bit boring about this issue, so I

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Thomas Dalton
- In some contexts, such as sexual content, it is desirable to be rigourous in confirming factors such as the subject's age, and 'release' or permission - it is this area which is lacking a bit at the moment. Perhaps you explain this in your essays (it's late and I have to be up early,

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Sam Johnston
On Fri, Jan 30, 2009 at 12:39 AM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.comwrote: This is a sort of 'essay spam' I guess, so for those aspects of this post, I apologise! I've also been criticised on some Wikimedia projects for proposing policy

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Nathan
Sam - I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure privatemusings has as much right as you or anyone else to post to this list. If you prefer not to discuss it further, then you can simply refrain from reading the posts or responding. Nathan ___ foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Nathan
Forum shopping typically describes someone going from forum to forum trying to get a different decision on some particular thing they want. In this case, I don't think privatemusings is looking for a specific outcome (like deleting an image, achieving a block, influencing an AfD, etc.). The object

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Marcus Buck
Two comments: Thomas Dalton hett schreven: Topless sunbathing is a legitimate topic for discussion and it usefully illustrate by such a photo. So that rates pretty highly on utility. I think it rates pretty low of potential for harm since the subjects aren't identified and they chose to

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread David Moran
Commons is meant to be a collection of freely-licensed media, not a dumping ground for all media that happens to be free. What's the difference? FMF On 1/29/09, Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org wrote: Two comments: Thomas Dalton hett schreven: Topless sunbathing is a legitimate topic for

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Jesse Plamondon-Willard
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:50 PM, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.com wrote: Commons is meant to be a collection of freely-licensed media, not a dumping ground for all media that happens to be free. What's the difference? Collection implies some sort of useful organization and coherence, with

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Chad
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 9:50 PM, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.comwrote: That sounds more like an indictment of the organization of images, rather than the images themselves. DM On 1/29/09, Jesse Plamondon-Willard pathosch...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 8:50 PM, David

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread David Goodman
voyeurism isn't relevant to our culture? On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Emphasis on usefulness. We're about providing free content, and I would hope being culturally significant would still be a priority. I always considered that a major point in

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Chad
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.comwrote: voyeurism isn't relevant to our culture? On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:09 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Emphasis on usefulness. We're about providing free content, and I would hope being culturally

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread David Moran
just because we can have 4500 pictures of erect penises, doesn't mean we should. For what reason, specifically? FMF On 1/29/09, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 10:22 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: voyeurism isn't relevant to our culture? On

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread David Moran
I'm just saying there's a weird value judgement inherent in the supposition that a sexually explicit image might not be horrible in itself, but a multiplicity of such images is horrible. Like there's a limit to how many images are useful for a topic. Such a limit exists for no other type of image

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:09 PM, David Moran fordmadoxfr...@gmail.comwrote: I'm just saying there's a weird value judgement inherent in the supposition that a sexually explicit image might not be horrible in itself, but a multiplicity of such images is horrible. Like there's a limit to how

Re: [Foundation-l] Sexual Content on Wikimedia

2009-01-29 Thread Nathan
On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 11:19 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: To some of those people, and to others, trying to place restrictions of any sort of sexually explicit images is cultural relativism and censorship. To me, but maybe not to you, it is simply being responsible. Re-reading