Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When the Wikimedia Foundation is to be the centre of a movement, then it has challenges as an enabler. The first most obvious thing to do is make it visible. This means that we do not only reach out to people but also to organisations. When GLAM (gallereies, libraries, archives and museums)

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread John at Darkstar
The most enjoyable dialogue this morning. Keep up the good work to both of you! John =D Mark Williamson wrote: Ray, I appreciate your honesty. I'll agree with you that I was not a very pleasant presence on the ML. Reading archives from, say, 2005 makes me cringe. I'm glad that people were not

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread Milos Rancic
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 2:45 AM, Ray Saintongesainto...@telus.net wrote: Mark Williamson wrote: This is precisely one of the problems that is holding us back. Individual prejudices against younger individuals may have scared younger users away from the project. All in all, I feel that we

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread Mark Williamson
I'm glad it was enjoyable for you also :-) skype: node.ue On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 12:44 AM, John at Darkstarvac...@jeb.no wrote: The most enjoyable dialogue this morning. Keep up the good work to both of you! John =D Mark Williamson wrote: Ray, I appreciate your honesty. I'll agree with

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
The company I work for employs a large number of people with with Doctorates in mathematics and quantum mechanics. Most are opinionated and argumentative but do not read wikipedia in areas that they have expertise in. The last discussion I had with one of them over a wikipedia article went If

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Ray Saintonge wrote: When I first encountered you you showed a great capacity to be a pain in the ass. You shared that ability with a few others who were already well passed their teen years. Your tenacity through all this has been commendable, and your continuing presence has had a

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-30 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
Just curious...where in WP do you think POV and specialist works could fit? Well, 1) POV (best of them being articulated properly) are the only possible ingredients (raw materials) for NPOV producing. Are you able to create NPOV from scratch (from nothing)? 2) Specialists will (and they

[Foundation-l] IRC Group Contacts Surgery, August 2009

2009-07-30 Thread Sean Whitton
Greetings, The IRC Group Contacts decided last year to hold a surgery every three months where general IRC matters could be brought up for discussion in an environment in which IRC people able to put those into action (which includes all the contacts themselves) were present and involved.

[Foundation-l] Fwd: [Wikitech-l] Downtime due to network maintenance, Friday July 31st 12:00 UTC

2009-07-30 Thread Chad
Fowarding to Foundation-l, just so more people are in the loop and don't swarm #wikimedia-tech with ZOMG SITE BROKEN! :) -Chad -- Forwarded message -- From: Mark Bergsma m...@wikimedia.org Date: Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 4:35 PM Subject: [Wikitech-l] Downtime due to network

[Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
The Wikimedia Foundation was originally envisaged as a membership organization. Per my recollection, everyone who ever edited would become a member. That didn't happen for legal reasons, however, I believe in the spirit of it being a membership organization. Unfortunately we now subscribe to the

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Recentist? Ignoring the, ahem, fanciful language you've chosen, I'd like to throw my support behind the voting qualifications wholeheartedly. For me, the analogy is simple: just because you get a driver's license

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Brian
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Steven Walling steven.wall...@gmail.comwrote: Recentist? Ignoring the, ahem, fanciful language you've chosen, I'd like to throw my support behind the voting qualifications

[Foundation-l] Stevertigo

2009-07-30 Thread Tim Starling
I'm taking Stevertigo off moderation. He has agreed by private email not to continue the dispute resolution mailing list thread. Stevertigo is a long-serving and trusted (if passionate) member of the community. -- Tim Starling ___ foundation-l mailing

[Foundation-l] The end of donations

2009-07-30 Thread stevertigo
It occurs to me that when people donate money to something, it is to some degree with an expectation that the recipient entity grows to eventually gain a certain kind of financial self-sufficiency. Is this not also the case with Wikimedia and many charitable donations to it? -Steven

Re: [Foundation-l] The end of donations

2009-07-30 Thread Tim Starling
stevertigo wrote: It occurs to me that when people donate money to something, it is to some degree with an expectation that the recipient entity grows to eventually gain a certain kind of financial self-sufficiency. Is this not also the case with Wikimedia and many charitable donations to it?

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: The second sentence should read: There is no information in the current heuristic that indicates that editors who are allowed to vote are more or less familiar with the candidates than those who are not. Who says there

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-30 Thread Ryan Lomonaco
I have no opinion on whether the rule should exist, but it is something that deserves to be looked at. There are valid reasons for requiring a minimum recent edit count, of course, but perhaps there are better ways to handle it. The rules did disenfranchise me, for example. It doesn't bother me