On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:03 AM, Philippe Beaudette <
pbeaude...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
>
> >> LiquidThreads was developed for that
> >> purpose, but it seems to have been largely discarded, with no
> >> significant
> >> interest from the communi
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 11:59 PM, Robert Rohde wrote:
> If we are just throwing out random ideas...
>
> I've long wanted to see an open source project to create a world
> family tree, i.e. document the ancestry and connections between
> everyone ever. There are a couple high profile closed source
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:40 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
wrote:
> In my opinion, What is really missing for example is the ability to
> find all the articles that occur in a geographic location.
>
> I would like to see all the articles about Beijing for example, but it
> is not easy. Goog
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 7:20 PM, David Goodman wrote:
> Perhaps we need a peripheral Wikipedia layer for items meeting V, but
> where N being based on general assumptions: a level for verifiable
> articles that don't meet current notability standards.
>
> It could be a separate project, Wikidirec
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 1:00 AM, Brion Vibber wrote:
> On 9/8/09 3:56 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>> 2009/9/8 Pedro Sanchez:
>>> Geographical/atlas/map kind ofproject
>>>
>>> granted, there's wikimapia and other external equivalents
>>> but we (Wikimedia) are lacking it
>>
>> Is there any point us doi
Perhaps we need a peripheral Wikipedia layer for items meeting V, but
where N being based on general assumptions: a level for verifiable
articles that don't meet current notability standards.
It could be a separate project, Wikidirectory--just as we moved out
dicdefs, and quotations, and so on, e
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation
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On Sep 11, 2009
On Sep 11, 2009, at 7:06 PM, Samuel Klein wrote:
>> LiquidThreads was developed for that
>> purpose, but it seems to have been largely discarded, with no
>> significant
>> interest from the community, the foundation or the usability team -
>> why?
>
> This may be part of the solution, but the
Fair enough, Brion :-) -- I'm just going to amplify and elaborate a
little on Jennifer's original mail. I think some of this is on the
meta page, but I'll say it here anyway.
The purpose of the chapters grant process is to make money available
to people to get good work done. The basic assumption
Tisza, this is very well put.
On 9/11/09, Tisza Gergő wrote:
> - the discussion space is divided by time, not by topic. What little
> topic-based
Yes. put another way, 'there is no natural namespace to fill and
revise over time as all useful discussions are traversed'
> - the moderation is
> That's usually what codification means :-)
Ah-ha!
Many thanks! :)
On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 1:43 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Pavlo Shevelo
> wrote:
>> Or you mean 'codification' as 'put all rules systematically/structured
>> and in written'?
>> If so it's exact
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 3:15 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
> Or you mean 'codification' as 'put all rules systematically/structured
> and in written'?
> If so it's exactly the basic proposal of Anders Wennersten:
That's usually what codification means :-)
Mark
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> I believe what was meant by this is that we should codify policies the
> same way that all large Wikipedias have codified policies, NOT that we
> should adopt the same policies as en.wp or any other for that matter.
If we're talking about Wikipedias - yes.
But if we are talking about moderation
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/11 David Gerard :
>> http://philanthropy.com/news/prospecting/9484/new-youtube-feature-helps-charities-raise-money-with-videos
>>
>> So, any videos we can do this with?
>
> Didn't Jimmy do a video message as part of the last fundraiser? It
> would be great to put
2009/9/11 David Gerard :
> http://philanthropy.com/news/prospecting/9484/new-youtube-feature-helps-charities-raise-money-with-videos
>
> So, any videos we can do this with?
Didn't Jimmy do a video message as part of the last fundraiser? It
would be great to put something like that on YouTube.
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So, any videos we can do this with?
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>>> -Document wanted behavior rules on meta in the same way as on wikipedia
>>> (wp:et, wp:not, no chat, do not overload etc)
>
> What wikipedia? I have no idea what the en.wp rules are for discussions,
> and I do not wnat to be blocked on this list for not having this idea. On
> ru.wp, my home pro
> Yes. You are right about that. So, may we (insiders) promise not to
> have such discourse? :)
It's a problem with mailing versus face to face meeting: it's
impossible to see whether you crossed your heart or crossed you
fingers while writing that :-P
[Disclaimer: It's just Friday evening joke,
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Birgitte SB wrote:
> As someone who does not think heavy-moderation is a good answer to the
> problem, I think you are missing the point.
>
> These bold/imprudent sort of people have useful contributions in sharing
> their positions. It is the way they ridicule
--- On Fri, 9/11/09, Milos Rancic wrote:
> From: Milos Rancic
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Moderate this list
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List"
> Date: Friday, September 11, 2009, 1:49 PM
> On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, effe
> iets anders
>
> wrote:
> > I think we're talking abou
On 9/11/09 12:45 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
>> Isn't temporarily blocking such a user a way to calm him/her down? I
> Yes it might be the way, but far not universal way.
> And it should be the last (ultimate) in moderator toolkit, far not the
> first to be used.
The fundamental mechanism of moderati
May I respectfully suggest that further discussion on this thread be
taken offlist until new arguments come to light which have not already
been posted?
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On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 9:45 PM, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
>> Isn't temporarily blocking such a user a way to calm him/her down? I
> Yes it might be the way, but far not universal way.
> And it should be the last (ultimate) in moderator toolkit, far not the
> first to be used.
Yep.
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> Isn't temporarily blocking such a user a way to calm him/her down? I
Yes it might be the way, but far not universal way.
And it should be the last (ultimate) in moderator toolkit, far not the
first to be used.
--Pavlo Shevelo
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:42 PM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
>> By i
> By imposing strictly rule that, for example, discourse like "See this
> [...], I told you that members of WMF Board are liars!", you would
> exclude from communication a person who may point from time to time to
> some problem. Of course, nicely worded "Calm down!" should be said to
> that person
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 1:14 PM, effe iets anders
wrote:
> I think we're talking about two groups of people and thinking here:
> 1) a group of people who have the principle "be bold" in their coat of arms
> and love to say anything that comes to mind, no matter whether that might be
> rude or not.
2009/9/11 effe iets anders :
> the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
> it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
> are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
> understanding of Portuguese culture.
I
the main question should be whether it is worth it in that case. I.e., will
it improve the chances of the chapter becoming successful? And I believe you
are just as I am not able to make that estimate without at least some
understanding of Portuguese culture.
Lodewijk
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
>
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
> to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
> Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
> end that is what we ask people to
Hoi,
Relevant is what our aim is. Our aim is to bring the total sum of knowledge
to everyone. Now, that means that we have to be Portuguese in Portugal,
Dutch in the Netherlands and I leave you to be British in Britain. In the
end that is what we ask people to contribute to.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
>> Hoi,
>> You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
>> share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
>> you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
>
> If they value themselves o
2009/9/11 Gerard Meijssen :
> Hoi,
> You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
> share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
> you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
If they value themselves over our goals, they are entitled to
Hoi,
You are doing it again. You insist that for them being Wikimedians they must
share the same values the same culture as you do... It must be true because
you insist on it. Somehow I do not buy it.
thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
> 2009/9/11 Philippe Beaudette :
> >
> > On Sep 11,
2009/9/11 Philippe Beaudette :
>
> On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
>
>> We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
>> human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
>> comes to food.
>
>
> This, in fact, is one of the great fallacies
On Sep 11, 2009, at 9:13 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote:
> We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
> human beings, the same as we are, they have the same needs when it
> comes to food.
This, in fact, is one of the great fallacies of international
organizations. Failure
Hoi,
The likely and obvious answer is to someone who is known and trusted to be
involved in this.
Thanks,
GerardM
2009/9/11 Thomas Dalton
> 2009/9/11 Michael Snow :
> > Nathan wrote:
> >> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
> >> chapters[1], but the grant crit
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Michael Snow wrote:
>> I'm not sure what part of the criteria you're reading to paraphrase them
> in those contingent terms. To quote from the page itself, "If your
> chapter is still in development, you can still apply for funds
> (especially when they are releva
2009/9/11 Michael Snow :
> Nathan wrote:
>> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
>> chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
>> on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
>> it to meta?
>>
> I'm not sure what par
Nathan wrote:
> I'm curious - Portugal isn't on this list of officially recognized
> chapters[1], but the grant criteria[2] say that grants are contingent
> on chapter recognition by the WMF. Has that happened and just not made
> it to meta?
>
I'm not sure what part of the criteria you're readin
On Fri, Sep 11, 2009 at 4:49 AM, Waldir Pimenta wrote:
> Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
> expenses.
>
> I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
> provide you with some information.
>
> First of all, I'd point out that n
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta :
> We would love to receive advice on how we can make the chapter work (well)
> with people so spread across the country (almost all the involved people
> live in different cities), and since much of the money WMF has was
> volunteer-contributed, we will take into account
2009/9/11 Waldir Pimenta :
> Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
> expenses.
>
> I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
> provide you with some information.
Thank you very much, I appreciate your willingness to discuss this
2009/9/11 effe iets anders :
> Why should all Wikimedians have the same culture and ideas and way of
> thinking as you? Why should Wikimedians who have a culture be excluded from
> setting up a chapter?
We're not talking about culture, we are talking about lunch. They are
human beings, the same as
If we are just throwing out random ideas...
I've long wanted to see an open source project to create a world
family tree, i.e. document the ancestry and connections between
everyone ever. There are a couple high profile closed source / fee
based projects aiming to do this, but no successful proje
> I've noticed that some signatures on this list do contain account/SUL
> information, but seemingly those are in minority (much less than 50%)
Mine does not, and I am not planning to use another e-mail for this list.
>> -Document wanted behavior rules on meta in the same way as on wikipedia
>> (
> ... I'd think there should be no objection to publishing
> the entire log. And if "minutes" is taken to mean simply a summary of
> the discussion, no doubt that would be welcome as well.
I do believe that if such objections will ever have place they should
be processed with all due respect and a
> -All users on foundation-l must have an User account on Meta, with
> automatic mailsignal when discussion page is changed
If I'm not mistaken it (implicitly) suggests that all mail signatures
should contain a reference to that account (and/or SUL).
I would support that and I never did it yet pre
I think we're talking about two groups of people and thinking here:
1) a group of people who have the principle "be bold" in their coat of arms
and love to say anything that comes to mind, no matter whether that might be
rude or not.
2) the people who see discussion more as a social process which i
> * Wikisource -- better native support for side-by-side translations,
> annotations, and extracting/citing primary source material from the
> other sites like Wikipedia would be very helpful.
Same thing is in need for Wikiquote as well while I do believe
that
> ... extracting/citing primary sour
Hi Thomas, and all who showed concern about Wikimedia Portugal's planned
expenses.
I am one of the persons who calculated that budget, and thus I feel I should
provide you with some information.
First of all, I'd point out that none of us has any experience in
nation-wide nonprofit organizations.
Hoi,
I think the discussion is about making foundation-l more inclusive. We know
that there is a large group of people who will not contribute to
foundation-l because they find the tone damaging. When this is reduced to
"being able to use the delete button" you forget that the damage is already
don
Fully agreed with Ray: If someone doesn't know how to use delete
button, then such person is not quite competent to use mailing lists.
It reminds me on criticism toward wikis: Ah, someone may change my
edits! I don't want to use that system anymore!
On 2009-09-11, phoebe ayers wrote:
> On Thu, Se
A proposal from me that I have entered on
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Improving_Foundation-l
Wikiinfrastructure to support and ease moderation
-All users on foundation-l must have an User account on Meta, with
automatic mailsignal when discussion page is changed
-Document wanted behavior rule
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