Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Italia being sued

2009-09-18 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Mike Godwin, 16/09/2009 07:54:
 We've had a lot of experience of spurious reports of lawsuits originating in
 Italy. In the majority of those cases, Wikimedia Foundation itself never
 receives service of process -- in effect, the cases only really exist in
 Italian media. I'm not saying that's the case here, but we haven't heard
 anything yet from Italian process servers yet.

I want to be clear: this message is offensive to Wikimedia Italia.

Nemo

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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Italia being sued

2009-09-18 Thread Brian
On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 9:11 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.comwrote:

 Mike Godwin, 16/09/2009 07:54:
  We've had a lot of experience of spurious reports of lawsuits originating
 in
  Italy. In the majority of those cases, Wikimedia Foundation itself never
  receives service of process -- in effect, the cases only really exist
 in
  Italian media. I'm not saying that's the case here, but we haven't heard
  anything yet from Italian process servers yet.

 I want to be clear: this message is offensive to Wikimedia Italia.

 Nemo


To restate, there is a tendency in Italy for a media sensation to be made of
purportedly legal matters when no legal actual legal processes have been
initiated, and  no legal documents drafted. As you can see, the statement
has nothing to do with Wikimedia Italia.
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Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Italia being sued

2009-09-18 Thread Mike Godwin
Frieda writes:

 As far as I remember we asked WMF help just once, few months ago.
 There were nothing in the news at that moment.


I'm sorry the original request didn't get through to me, for whatever
reason. (I suspect a spam filter blocked the earlier message because it
contained two long URLs.) I first heard about it when you reposted it on a
mailing list, and I responded immediately to that message when saw it.


 The doc is already in your mailbox. CouLd you please assure me that
 you received it? thanks.


Yes, I've received it.  Unfortunately, the text isn't scannable by OCR -- if
some enterprising Italian Wikimedia feels like retyping the document into a
text format, I'd be personally grateful.  In the meantime, I'll do what I
can with the scan you sent me.


 And.. Why didn't you ask for it in our private discussion rather than
 using foundation-l?


Well, I generally respond to public mailing lists with public responses,
and, as you will recall, I was responding to other public queries about this
case on this and other public forums.

In general, there's nothing particularly private about legal process, and it
generally serves transparency and knowledge sharing to publicize whatever we
can. This is already a public matter, and there's general interest in our
larger community about the details.  I generally share what I can, within
the bounds of legal privilege.



--Mike
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