Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-08 Thread wiki-list
Ray Saintonge wrote: And how are you determining that a work is orphaned? What JuJU do you have to declare that a work is free to use commercially? Whether a work is orphaned will vary from one work to another. Do you have a specific work in mind? I was just providing a plausible

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-08 Thread Ray Saintonge
wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: And how are you determining that a work is orphaned? What JuJU do you have to declare that a work is free to use commercially? Whether a work is orphaned will vary from one work to another. Do you have a specific work

Re: [Foundation-l] Cultural awareness and sensitivity

2010-06-08 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
Ray Saintonge wrote: Caution in avoiding offence with one's words must be coupled with a willingness to avoid seeing offence in the words of others. One needs to begin from the assumption that a word is being used in its most ordinary sense. Just like gay is not restricted by modern

Re: [Foundation-l] Texts deleted on French Wikisource

2010-06-08 Thread wiki-list
Ray Saintonge wrote: wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: And how are you determining that a work is orphaned? What JuJU do you have to declare that a work is free to use commercially? Whether a work is orphaned will vary from one work to another. Do you

Re: [Foundation-l] The High Priests of Wikipedia

2010-06-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Dear Teun, I grew up in the mother church. When asked we would say that we were catholic. From inside the church there is no credible outside because they are not part of our community. As a little boy we did not play with the kids of the public primary school (their school was in front of

[Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Erik Moeller
Hello all, the massive thread regarding the default sidebar language link expansion state has surfaced a number of fundamental and significant questions regarding the working relationship between the Wikimedia Foundation and the larger Wikimedia volunteer community. This message represents my

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As you may know, I had reservations about the fact that the UX was funded for the English language Wikipedia only. This turned out well; there was attention for right to left languages, testing environments for several languages were created. In the tools there was time to include character

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: With all this in mind, here are just a few concrete ideas for closing the gap: 1) Embedding teams funded by WMF into larger, publicly visible workgroups which include volunteers and which meet regularly e.g. via IRC; 1 a)

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Pavlo Shevelo
The basic attitude has to be that paid developers are treated identically to volunteers, except that you can tell the former what to do and expect them to put in more time.  There should not be communication between paid developers and the community, paid developers should be an integral

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Eugene Eric Kim
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 4:28 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 7) Further experimentation with tools like IdeaTorrent for large-scale brainstorming and ranking purposes (we have a prototype running at

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Benjamin Lees
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 6:55 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.comsimetrical%2bwikil...@gmail.com wrote: 2) Make sure that every paid developer spends time dealing with the community. This can include giving support to end users, discussing things with volunteers, reviewing patches,

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Benjamin Lees emufarm...@gmail.com wrote: I really agree with this sentiment, but it seems difficult to get staff to really be part of the community unless they're _from_ the community.  The developers I've seen discuss their personal opinions on public fora

[Foundation-l] clicktracking

2010-06-08 Thread John Vandenberg
subject was: hiding interlanguage links by default is a Bad Idea, part 2 On Sat, Jun 5, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Howie Fung hf...@wikimedia.org wrote: The Usability team discussed this issue at length this afternoon.  ... Regarding the data behind the decision.  First, let me apologize for the

Re: [Foundation-l] The High Priests of Wikipedia

2010-06-08 Thread Utkarshraj Atmaram
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 8:00 PM, Amory Meltzer amorymelt...@gmail.com wrote: With the exception of the first two numbers, nothing there is wholly or remotely true. *Everything* about Wikipedia in the article is 100% true. It is based on an interview that noted scholar Sam Vaknin had granted to

Re: [Foundation-l] Community, collaboration, and cognitive biases

2010-06-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Jun 9, 2010 at 11:28 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: ... It's also worth pointing out that a good way *not* to engage with the community is to not touch preexisting code that volunteers are familiar with.  All the Usability Initiative stuff was created

Re: [Foundation-l] The High Priests of Wikipedia

2010-06-08 Thread Amory Meltzer
On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 22:29, Utkarshraj Atmaram utcur...@gmail.com wrote: Remember, Sam Vaknin is a Ph.D., so he cannot be wrong. Probably has a Bachelor in Science, too. ~A ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: