Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 11/12/2010 10:02 AM, phoebe ayers wrote: On Thu, Nov 11, 2010 at 12:47 AM, MZMcBridez...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I also don't understand who would want a printed copy of a Wikipedia article. It seems antithetical to the point of the Internet and the creation of an online encyclopedia.

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 11/12/2010 10:05 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: Wikimedia policy is to use only free software, at least on the customer-facing side. That includes the PDF-generation process, which runs on our servers AFAIK. Requiring this from sites we (in essence) link to seems excessive. We link to Google

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 5:55 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: The problem I have with statements like these is that they feel disingenuous. The mission statement is as vague or as specific as the person arguing deems it to be. There are thousands of potential projects that Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-13 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 1:16 AM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 November 2010 19:30, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: Geni mentioned offering a level of support equivalent to our smaller projects, which is most definitely *not* just providing ISP services. err beyond ISP services what

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Robert S. Horning robert_horn...@netzero.net wrote: On 11/12/2010 10:05 AM, Magnus Manske wrote: Wikimedia policy is to use only free software, at least on the customer-facing side. That includes the PDF-generation process, which runs on our servers AFAIK.

[Foundation-l] Report from Day 1 of technical testing

2010-11-13 Thread Philippe Beaudette
Almost 22 hours ago, we turned on the 2010-11 contribution campaign for a weekend of functional testing prior to launch. We launched cleanly, I'm pleased to say - there were a few initial hiccups (around the size of the graphic used in the banner, and our ability to pull numbers out of the

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/13/2010 6:44:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: And if you can find some other publishing entity (printing, DVDs, etc.) that could be used interchangeably for the PediaPress button, and this entity is denied a button next to the PediaPress

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 5:18 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/13/2010 6:44:18 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: And if you can find some other publishing entity (printing, DVDs, etc.) that could be used interchangeably for the PediaPress button,

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 November 2010 17:53, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: I'm all for that. But, did anyone actually ask the Foundation to have his button included there (besides spammers et al.)? It's not like an email is hard to write... Robert Horning has noted in this very thread: ===

[Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread Milos Rancic
Our family has got new projects: * Wikipedia in Gagauz: http://gag.wikipedia.org/ * Wikisource in Venetian: http://vec.wikisource.org * Wikisource in Breton: http://br.wikisource.org/ * Wikibooks in Limburgish: http://li.wikibooks.org/ * Wikinews in Esperanto: http://eo.wikinews.org/

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread Michael Peel
Fantastic. :-) Semantic issue: these aren't new projects, they're new language versions of existing projects. We haven't had a new project since 2007. Mike On 13 Nov 2010, at 18:51, Milos Rancic wrote: Our family has got new projects: * Wikipedia in Gagauz: http://gag.wikipedia.org/ *

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 19:56, Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net wrote: Fantastic. :-) Semantic issue: these aren't new projects, they're new language versions of existing projects. We haven't had a new project since 2007. Hm. In my perception, term project has two meanings: separate project,

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 6:16 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/13/2010 9:53:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: I'm all for that. But, did anyone actually ask the Foundation to have his button included there (besides spammers et al.)? It's not

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Ting Chen
Hello Sarah, I searched a little on meta and the oldest thing I found related to this is from the Foundation Report of January 2008 [1]. So I cannot tell you how the contract came into being. As you know, the Foundation moved in the spring of 2008 from Florida to San Francisco and rebuilt

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 11/13/2010 11:08 AM, Ryan Kaldari wrote: What's the URL for Robert's service? I would love to try it out. If the service isn't mature yet, is there a code repository somewhere? Ryan Kaldari Much of what I was trying to get started was covered on this very mailing list. If you go

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread Robert S. Horning
On 11/13/2010 12:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 19:56, Michael Peelem...@mikepeel.net wrote: Fantastic. :-) Semantic issue: these aren't new projects, they're new language versions of existing projects. We haven't had a new project since 2007. Hm. In my

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread emijrp
meanwhile in the foundation mailing list... 2010/11/13 Robert S. Horning robert_horn...@netzero.net On 11/13/2010 12:06 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 19:56, Michael Peelem...@mikepeel.net wrote: Fantastic. :-) Semantic issue: these aren't new projects, they're new

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread SlimVirgin
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:59, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: I know that also this example is not without flaw, as comparisons always are. What I want to say is, if a company can provide us a service that we really desperately need and we cannot get elsewhere, and it shares the same

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Michael Snow
Let me ask this question. Suppose the Wikimedia Foundation were to buy PediaPress from Brainbot, including whatever intellectual property is associated with its service such as the LaTeX export. If Wikimedia did this and brought the service in-house, assuming the LaTeX export is released as

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread SlimVirgin
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 15:10, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Let me ask this question. Suppose the Wikimedia Foundation were to buy PediaPress from Brainbot, including whatever intellectual property is associated with its service such as the LaTeX export. If Wikimedia did this and

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread John Vandenberg
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 5:51 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Our family has got new projects: * Wikipedia in Gagauz: http://gag.wikipedia.org/ * Wikisource in Venetian: http://vec.wikisource.org * Wikisource in Breton: http://br.wikisource.org/ * Wikibooks in Limburgish:

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 16:59, Ting Chen wrote: I searched a little on meta and the oldest thing I found related to this is from the Foundation Report of January 2008 [1]. So I cannot tell you how the contract came into being. As you know, the Foundation

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 17:25, Robert S. Horning wrote: Much of what I was trying to get started was covered on this very mailing list. If you go into the archives and look up Wikijunior to see some of the efforts that were made, including some initial

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread Mohamed Magdy
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Our family has got new projects: snip * Wikinews in Esperanto: http://eo.wikinews.org/ This project is a joke, are there really people who are going to read news in Esperanto? user:alnokta

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread K. Peachey
Me points people towards: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/newprojects (archives: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/newprojects/). -Peachey ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects

2010-11-13 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 00:03, Mohamed Magdy mohamed@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Our family has got new projects: snip * Wikinews in Esperanto: http://eo.wikinews.org/ This project is a joke, are there really people who

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:59, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: I know that also this example is not without flaw, as comparisons always are. What I want to say is, if a company can provide us a service that we really

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On 11/13/10 12:25 PM, Robert S. Horning wrote: Much of what I was trying to get started was covered on this very mailing list. If you go into the archives and look up Wikijunior to see some of the efforts that were made, including some initial publications that were made through Lulu (that

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Mohamed Magdy
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:10 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@frontier.com wrote: Let me ask this question. Suppose the Wikimedia Foundation were to buy PediaPress from Brainbot, including whatever intellectual property is associated with its service such as the LaTeX export. If Wikimedia did this

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 18:10, Michael Snow wrote: Let me ask this question. Suppose the Wikimedia Foundation were to buy PediaPress from Brainbot, including whatever intellectual property is associated with its service such as the LaTeX export. If

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread The Cunctator
It's pretty obvious that there are some back-justifications being made for a blatantly imperfect decision. There are both real strengths and benefits to the decision (making print copies easily accessible) as well as deep flaws (promoting an exclusive relationship with a for-profit company). It

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread WJhonson
In a message dated 11/13/2010 11:08:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: 1. Given the limited of number services (one, plus Robert's which I missed in the thread, if it still exists), it probably seemed pointless 2. Any service would have to develop the

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread MZMcBride
Ryan Kaldari wrote: On 11/13/10 12:25 PM, Robert S. Horning wrote: Much of what I was trying to get started was covered on this very mailing list. If you go into the archives and look up Wikijunior to see some of the efforts that were made, including some initial publications that were made

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Noein
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/11/2010 19:14, phoebe ayers wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:59, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: I know that also this example is not without flaw, as comparisons

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Magnus Manske
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 11:04 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 11/13/2010 11:08:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, magnusman...@googlemail.com writes: 1. Given the limited of number services (one, plus Robert's which I missed in the thread, if it still exists), it probably seemed

Re: [Foundation-l] Report from Day 1 of technical testing

2010-11-13 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 2:17 AM, Philippe Beaudette pbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: In the last 22 hours, we've accepted about $510,000 directly to the Foundation.  I don't yet have numbers from the chapters to report.  The Foundation's donors alone represent nearly 19,000 individual donors.

Re: [Foundation-l] Should we offer to host citizendium?

2010-11-13 Thread Pharos
On 11/13/10, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 11:05 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 November 2010 17:34, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: These are all questions which would have to be answered before WMF should even consider getting involved.

Re: [Foundation-l] Open and transparency or not

2010-11-13 Thread Tomasz Finc
Let me jump in since I was the one who moved it. At the end of the 2009 Fundraiser we were getting hit by a significant amount of fraudulent transactions. It got so bad that the WMF had to dedicate full time staff members to respond to the massive amount of email and phone calls we were

Re: [Foundation-l] PediaPress

2010-11-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
From: SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com If PediaPress's software is open-source the Foundation surely wouldn't need to buy it. This is what I'm finding confusing, and that's partly because of my lack of technical knowledge. But as I see it Wikimedia has developers, paid and unpaid, lots of