Re: [Foundation-l] Pre-wikis vs. maturing Wikipedia: taking away dedicated editors?

2012-03-07 Thread geni
On 7 March 2012 07:23, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I'm taking a hint from Clay Shirky's books here: What most people would consider high quality published sources - in this case, by railway companies, governments, standards institutions or engineering colleges - simply

Re: [Foundation-l] Pre-wikis vs. maturing Wikipedia: taking away dedicated editors?

2012-03-07 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012 09:10:17 +, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 March 2012 07:23, Amir E. Aharoni amir.ahar...@mail.huji.ac.il wrote: I'm taking a hint from Clay Shirky's books here: What most people would consider high quality published sources - in this case, by railway companies,

[Foundation-l] Monthly report chapter germany

2012-03-07 Thread Phillip Wilke
Hello everybody, starting from now the german chapter report february is available.You'll find it via meta wiki: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chapters/Reports/Wikimedia_Deutschland Sorry for bothering you to do another klick to reach the report. It's to extensive to paste it in the

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 6:30 PM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: ... Sorry to drag this out--there are definitely more interesting things to talk about. But as someone who basically holds Phoebe's position on the issue I'd like to say what I am thinking also. I think, in fact, that I

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread WereSpielChequers
Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:30:27 -0500 From: Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status Message-ID:

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Andreas, you seem really maniac fixed to this theme. I am since 7 years in Wikipedia and never saw this pictures. For me are pictures from tortured persons, from war and weapons torn bodies and shot heads a much more terrifying that sex-pics (I spare posting spectacular links, just for attending

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread phoebe ayers
2012/3/7 Juliana da Costa José julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com: Andreas, you seem really maniac fixed to this theme. I am since 7 years in Wikipedia and never saw this pictures. For me are pictures from tortured persons, from war and weapons torn bodies and shot heads a much more terrifying

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Hi Phoebe, so it would be not longer possible too, to have medical pictures f.e. from surgeries, organs or corpses, because they could frighten people? Best Juliana 2012/3/7 phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com 2012/3/7 Juliana da Costa José julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com: Andreas, you

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread David Gerard
2012/3/7 Juliana da Costa José julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com: so it would be not longer possible too, to have medical pictures f.e. from surgeries, organs or corpses, because they could frighten people? Knowledge is an inherently frightening thing, as is the prospect of other people

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia France position on fundraising

2012-03-07 Thread Chris Keating
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 9:37 PM, Arne Klempert klempert.li...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 6:24 PM, Florence Devouard anthe...@yahoo.com wrote: Please find on Wikimedia France position regarding chapter fundraising in France in the coming years. Wikimedia UK's response to the

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Marc Riddell
on 3/7/12 12:52 PM, Juliana da Costa José at julianadacostaj...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi Phoebe, so it would be not longer possible too, to have medical pictures f.e. from surgeries, organs or corpses, because they could frighten people? Best Juliana 2012/3/7 Juliana da Costa José

Re: [Foundation-l] Pre-wikis vs. maturing Wikipedia: taking away dedicated editors?

2012-03-07 Thread teun spaans
quote * They have to do lots of original research; it is impossible to follow development of the railway infrastructure and operations using only high quality published sources; * They got bitten a bit by the notability discussions in their field; they want to document every track, every

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Delirium
On 3/7/12 6:52 PM, Juliana da Costa José wrote: so it would be not longer possible too, to have medical pictures f.e. from surgeries, organs or corpses, because they could frighten people? I don't think anyone's proposing that the information should be removed from articles; just that there

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Juliana, You simply don't understand where I am coming from. I have nothing against Wikimedia websites hosting adult content, just like I have nothing against the far greater amounts of explicit adult material on Flickr for example. What saddens me though is that Wikimedia is unable to grow up,

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 March 2012 22:41, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: WMF is looking to work together with lots of mainstream organisations, from the British Museum to the Smithsonian. But this kind of curation of adult content is an embarrassment for the Wikimedia Foundation, and a potential

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Thomas Morton
On 7 Mar 2012, at 23:03, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 March 2012 22:41, Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: WMF is looking to work together with lots of mainstream organisations, from the British Museum to the Smithsonian. But this kind of curation of adult content is an

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Thomas Morton
On 7 Mar 2012, at 23:16, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 March 2012 23:08, Thomas Morton morton.tho...@googlemail.com wrote: On 7 Mar 2012, at 23:03, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I think you have no grasp of just how far beyond merely mainstream Wikipedia is. The answer

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 07.03.2012 23:41, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: Juliana, You simply don't understand where I am coming from. I have nothing against Wikimedia websites hosting adult content, just like I have nothing against the far greater amounts of explicit adult material on Flickr for example. What saddens me

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 07.03.2012 23:41, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: Sorry to interrupt you. But as i can see, you constantly rage against sexuality in any form. I came to this little conclusion because i saw never an example from

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 4:30 AM, Kat Walsh k...@mindspillage.org wrote: Sorry to drag this out--there are definitely more interesting things to talk about. But as someone who basically holds Phoebe's position on the issue I'd like to say what I am thinking also. definetely more interesting

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Tobias Oelgarte
Am 08.03.2012 01:53, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:46 PM, Tobias Oelgarte tobias.oelga...@googlemail.com wrote: Am 07.03.2012 23:41, schrieb Andreas Kolbe: Sorry to interrupt you. But as i can see, you constantly rage against sexuality in any form. I came to this little

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Juliana da Costa José
Andreas, I do not know from where you come from, But I tell you, from where I come: My worked for the Vatikan and we had several preachers in our house who had all a special sound in their voice. This special slobbery smart-aleck when they spoke about the depravity of the humanity with special

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Andreas Kolbe
If you search for devoirs (= homework) or vacances (= holiday) on French Wikipedia, you're presented with a porn video in which a man and a woman engage in sex acts (cunnilingus and fellatio) with a dog.

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread MZMcBride
MZMcBride wrote: Kat: Thank you for weighing in. I know many people appreciated hearing from you, Phoebe, and some of the other big voices who have commented here. And I think some of the replies in this thread have gone a long way to helping ease some tensions and create better dialogue. :-)

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Thomas Morton
If you search for devoirs (= homework) or vacances (= holiday) on French Wikipedia, you're presented with a porn video in which a man and a woman engage in sex acts (cunnilingus and fellatio) with a dog.

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Jussi-Ville Heiskanen
On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Hi MZ and all -- Project development was put on hold over the winter in favor of more pressing priorities, with the agreement of the Board. There is currently an open proposal on the table for the Board to vote on

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
Andreas: I think http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2012-March/072463.html is one of my favorite posts to foundation-l ever. I'll go add these examples to https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Problems now. MZMcBride I just suggested to rename the file

Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread David Gerard
On 8 March 2012 07:13, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 3:00 AM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: So, yeah, things are on hold essentially because there are more urgent things to do, and because given the rather extraordinary scale of the