Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy

2008-11-14 Thread teun spaans
Agree. And perhaps other organizations working with copy left licenses could be informed? On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Teofilo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The European Commission published in July a Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy (1) . In §3.4. They talk about the

Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy

2008-11-14 Thread geni
2008/11/14 teun spaans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Agree. And perhaps other organizations working with copy left licenses could be informed? There is nothing in there of any real significance to free licenses. -- geni ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia.org

2008-11-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, All projects are started with consent of the board. I take it that the board has the final say on blocking / removing projects. I can imagine that the WMF office / organisation takes this decision on there own accord. These are the two who have the power to establish facts. Thanks,

Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy

2008-11-15 Thread Michael Peel
On 14 Nov 2008, at 15:47, geni wrote: 2008/11/14 teun spaans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Agree. And perhaps other organizations working with copy left licenses could be informed? There is nothing in there of any real significance to free licenses. Isn't that something that should be fed back

[Foundation-l] Wikipedia Academy Lund

2008-11-15 Thread Lennart Guldbrandsson
Hello, Now, the Wikipedia Academy in Lund has ended. A big success, as the number of participants was double the number we had anticipated. The entire conference was covered by three bloggers, collected here: http://wikipediaacademy.blogspot.com/ (Swedish, but translatable for example via

Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy

2008-11-15 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, When the EU develops a law that deals with copyright and licensing, it will implicitly include Free licenses. It is exactly for this reason that communities like ours who have at least an idea of what we consider to be the right way forward are asked to step on the plate. When we, as a

Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy

2008-11-16 Thread effe iets anders
nonsense. There are (small list): * Creative Commons, dozens of chapters * Wikimedia, several chapters * Free Knowledge institute * Open Office * Several Linux organisations * Actually *any* organisation that makes on a large scale freely licensed manuals etc * Open Streetmap * Several libraries

Re: [Foundation-l] List Syndication Service reboot

2008-11-16 Thread effe iets anders
who! 2008/11/16 phoebe ayers [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi ya'll, You may remember way that back in mid-2006 user:Improv started up the List Syndication Service: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS This was an ongoing weekly summary of the mailing lists, particularly Foundation-L. It was

Re: [Foundation-l] European Commission Green Paper - Copyright in the Knowledge Economy

2008-11-16 Thread effe iets anders
It doesn't really matter what was on their mind, even though I also disagree on what is on their mind. It matters that the discussion has been broken open, and that it will be on the agenda of the commission and after that the parliament. If it is on the agenda, it is time for a little lobby and

[Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
Apparently the German portal on wikipedia.de has been shut down after a legal case. Is there any more information on this? http://www.wikipedia.de/ Bryan ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] FlaggedRevs status/news?

2008-11-16 Thread Bence Damokos
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hoi, I think it makes sense to have functionality like FlaggedRevs be localised prior to it being enabled. Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue

Re: [Foundation-l] Explanation related to the license migration needed

2008-11-16 Thread Thomas Dalton
BTW, I am not the only person who is working on the site, but it is a very small group of people and editing is not open to the world. In that case, you can just get explicit permission from each of them to do whatever it is you need to do, so there shouldn't be a problem.

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread David Gerard
2008/11/16 David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Donations to WMDE are apparently coming in very fast because of this: http://wiwowo.blogspot.com/2008/11/internet-cannot-be-censured.html I'm reluctant to advocate upset politicians as a fundraising tool, but ... Here's the list. Dig the comments:

Re: [Foundation-l] Explanation related to the license migration needed

2008-11-16 Thread David Claughton
Milos Rancic wrote: On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you could delete the GFDL-only version and remake it as a dual licensed version after the switchover (assuming we do switchover), I can't see how there could a problem. (Assuming you are the only

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] FlaggedRevs status/news?

2008-11-16 Thread Dovi Jacobs
Gerard wrote: Given that it is important for the editors to understand what is intended with Flagged Revisions. I would argue that localisation prior to implementation is essential. I would like to remind Gerard that the requests for FlaggedRevs are based on the consensus of live wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-16 Thread Robert Rohde
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 9:02 AM, David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/16 Ian A. Holton [EMAIL PROTECTED]: This isn't the first time the German chapter has had an interim injunction issued against them[2], but everytime the matter has been resolved in a professional manner and the

[Foundation-l] Wikibooks ogo vote in progress

2008-11-17 Thread Cary Bass
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I haven't seen this yet posted to the Textbook-l list or foundation-l so I wanted to make it known that Wikibooks is winding down its logo vote over the next couple weeks. While we're asking people not to specify color, text, and there may be some

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: One Laptop per Child (OLPC) and wiki

2008-11-18 Thread phoebe ayers
On Tue, Nov 18, 2008 at 6:44 AM, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: forwarded message. As always, I'm grateful if this is *not* quoted as Michael Bimmler wrote, irrespective of whether I agree with the email. -- Forwarded message -- From: RJ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date:

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
Yes, I totally agree with Ziko. The article about Heilmann do had contents that are very questionable. There were content that are not proved and that are now removed, that must be removed according to our rule of living people biographies. Heilmann complained through his lawyer at first by

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Marco Chiesa
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 8:03 PM, Ting Chen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Heilmann complained through his lawyer at first by WikiMedia Deutschland. The chapter answered him that it is not responsible for the content on Wikipedia and they would do nothing. I agree with the first part of the

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
Marco Chiesa wrote: The point is that the chapter is NOT responsible for the content of Wikipedia. If as a chapter we receive a suggestion/complain about something in Wikipedia, we forward the email to OTRS, because that's the address that's dedicated to these things. If there is a lawsuit, as

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Ting Chen
David Gerard wrote: 2008/11/19 Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The chapter refused to look at the complaint or take any action at all? Unless there is some legal reason why they can't take responsibility (even as individuals responding to an e-mail complaint), I find that difficult to believe.

Re: [Foundation-l] wikipedia.de shut down

2008-11-19 Thread Nathan
Right, I wasn't clear. I was thinking it would be strange if the chapter members took no action, as members (even forwarding a complaint to OTRS), and the only explanation I had for that was the legal danger in appearing to take responsibility on behalf of the chapter. As long as they forward the

Re: [Foundation-l] mo.wikipedia.org

2008-11-20 Thread Ting Chen
phoebe ayers wrote: Because I'm sure the Board will be *thrilled* to get involved in a dispute that involves nationalism, factionalism, complicated linguistics, hurt feelings, confusion about what's true, and heated debate and assumptions of poor faith on all sides. Come on. How is the Board

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] FlaggedRevs status/news?

2008-11-20 Thread Brion Vibber
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dovi, you're already in the queue which is being worked through; should be done within the next few days. - -- brion Dovi Jacobs wrote: Gerard, thank you for your kind comments. I think the system you have set up at Betawiki is extraordinary, and

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wikimedia Foundation's Audited Financial Statements on the Foundation Wiki

2008-11-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
Thank you very much. It looks like the foundation's finances are in excellent order. A few things that jump out at me - despite the size of the foundation in pretty much every respect increasing dramatically over the last year, the money spent on travel (which is something I remember some people

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 5:28 PM, Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hoi, The proposal is for ASL to be written in SignWriting. This has the added benefit that whatever is actually written can also be edited in our wiki style. The problem with video is that you cannot change it and

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 2:14 AM, Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [snip] Many people who are deaf have not learned to read and write in their own language. [snip] It is true that many deaf people do not know how to write their own language. I think the shifting definition of 'own

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
Here we must be using some other meaning since the overwhelming majority of deaf children are born to hearing parents who do not speak sign language. Really? Do you have some statistics to back that up? Deafness is very often inherited. It may be a majority, but I doubt it is overwhelming.

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-23 Thread Pharos
Greg, this has nothing to do with cochlear implants. The deaf activist community is not a monolith, and the SignWriting folks are not advocates of isolationism at all. They simply believe in bilingualism, and that attaining literacy in one's everyday language is valuable in itself, and should

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 12:50 PM, Pharos [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Greg, this has nothing to do with cochlear implants. The deaf activist community is not a monolith, and the SignWriting folks are not advocates of isolationism at all. Gah, I would not presume to insult them so. For clarity:

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-23 Thread Marcus Buck
Gregory Maxwell hett schreven: Only that due care is required if we don't want to end up being a tool for isolationism and this is true for all cases where we create distinct Wikipedia communities and is not at all limited to speakers of sign language. If people like to be isolated, why

Re: [Foundation-l] Signal languages Wikimedia projects

2008-11-23 Thread Chad
On Sun, Nov 23, 2008 at 6:25 PM, Gerard Meijssen [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: When people claim that deaf people are able to read and write in the dominant language, they forget that this has never been a reason to deny people their Wikipedia in their language. We do allow people who speak a

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: [Internal-l] Wikimedia Foundation's Audited Financial Statements on the Foundation Wiki

2008-11-23 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 12:33 AM, Ral315 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, while extensions are granted fairly liberally, is it normal practice to receive extensions on an annual basis? A three-month extension is requested approximately 37% of the time. An additional three-month extension is

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks (Was: A local chapter without Wikimedians)

2008-11-24 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 11:04 AM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/11/24 Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yeah and, what Nathan probably meant: If a chapter ignores a termination message and keeps using the trademark, we would need to obtain an injunction in *their* country. Now,

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-24 Thread Casey Brown
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Florence Devouard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is not appropriate that Wikimedia Brasil is listed (and described) as a non-profit organization if it is not yet incorporated: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Local_chapters. I disagree, it's a list of

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/11/24 Casey Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 5:17 PM, Florence Devouard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think it is not appropriate that Wikimedia Brasil is listed (and described) as a non-profit organization if it is not yet incorporated:

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks (Was: A local chapter without Wikimedians)

2008-11-24 Thread Thomas Dalton
That's a very useful tool (if rather cryptic in its output), thank you! If I'm reading it right, it looks like Wikipedia is registered far more widely. Actually, on a second glance, it seems to be registered in Switzerland, despite Michael's claims otherwise. Michael, what was your source for

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-24 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2008/11/24 Florence Devouard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Luiz Augusto wrote: First, is that wrong that a chapter is made in majority or entirety by non-editors ? I would tend to think it is unfortunate, but not wrong. A person may be part of the wikimedia mouvement without editing a lot. The person

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phase 2

2008-11-24 Thread Erik Moeller
2008/11/12 Rand Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: To review, our current donations can be found here: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:ContributionStatistics For those who haven't seen it yet: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Special:FundraiserStatistics This is a side-by-side

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks (Was: A local chapter without Wikimedians)

2008-11-25 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's a very useful tool (if rather cryptic in its output), thank you! If I'm reading it right, it looks like Wikipedia is registered far more widely. Actually, on a second glance, it seems to be registered in

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks (Was: A localchapter withoutWikimedians)

2008-11-25 Thread Phil Nash
Mike Godwin wrote: Phil Nash writes: I don't want to seem naive but it is unclear to me how this applies to an essentially non-profit organisation; if you can help me out with a link, I'd be grateful. Thanks. I'm not sure I understand the question. Are you under the impression that

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Tomasz Ganicz
2008/11/25 Mike Godwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Without criticizing Mozilla at all, I'll note that we're not that much like Mozilla in the scale on which license trademarks commercially. It's probably difficult for anyone outside the Foundation to imagine the sheer number of licensing opportunities

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 11:38 AM, Florence Devouard [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Nathan wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What are you saying here? Do you think free speech is promoted by telling people no when they ask if they can use your trademark,

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well, like I said, my purpose wasn't to make a point, but to ask questions. I've learned better than to try to make points in this particular e-mail forum. Your second question was something of a leading question. It

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/11/25 Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Well, like I said, my purpose wasn't to make a point, but to ask questions. I've learned better than to try to make points in this particular e-mail forum. Your second question

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Godwin
Anthony writes: What are you saying here? Do you think free speech is promoted by telling people no when they ask if they can use your trademark, but then not doing anything when someone uses it without asking? I'm trying to say that striking a humane balance between the

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Mike Godwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm trying to say that striking a humane balance between the requirements of trademark maintenance and the interests of freedom of speech is something I try to do, pretty much on a daily basis. How are the two in conflict?

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Erik Moeller
2008/11/25 Mike Godwin [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Your reasoning suggests (by analogy) that prosecutors who don't prosecute every single offense, or policemen who don't arrest everyone who might have committed offense, are somehow contradictory to upholding the law. But that's not how the legal

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 1:42 PM, Erik Moeller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I'm not a huge friend of IP law, Specifically, you state on your meta user page that you are strongly opposed to all types of 'intellectual property'. but I've always felt that the fundamental intentions of

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Erik Moeller
2008/11/25 Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I can't imagine you have that feeling about [[trademark dilution]] law, though. I don't think people are going to cry fraud when they find out their coffee mug isn't really the coffee mug that anyone can edit. What I said is that its fundamental

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Godwin
Anthony writes: The fundamental intention of [[trademark dilution]] law is to create a property right. This isn't an accurate statement about trademark law. It's true that trademark law creates certain rights, but to understand trademark law as an attempt to create a *property* right is

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:01 PM, Mike Godwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony writes: The fundamental intention of [[trademark dilution]] law is to create a property right. This isn't an accurate statement about trademark law. It's true that trademark law creates certain rights, but to

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
Luiz Augusto wrote: This is what we need: to stop the current attempt and start it again Why? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phase 2

2008-11-25 Thread Ral315
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Great theory for 2008, except for the whole economy is screwed, high employment, mortgage foreclosure and general nobody has any money to spare thing. -Chad I'm completely speculating here, but maybe the reason we're doing so

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
Porantim wrote: The point here is: Thomas is one of the people who deny the debate. This is the fact. Of course I want Thomas close to us, fighting with us, but I cant't believe in dictatorship. If you really want to help us, you can speak with your friend Thomas about those problemas.

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
If you are convinced that this is not personal, and that there is an issue, then please provide evidence. Otherwise, this looks like bunch of people who are unhappy because their proposal wasn't passed. Geoffrey Plourde From: Porantim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To:

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Jimbo will be talking with Thomas, so let's table this discussion until he and ChapCom are finished looking around, ok? From: Porantim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2008

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
I agree, why the hell should we blow off a couple thousand hours of work and toast a chapter? While there may be some issues in the bylaws and they still need to legally organize, there is more support for this chapter than some of the European ones. My friend, this is starting to appear

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Jimmy Wales
Porantim wrote: Jimmy, again, the problem isn't personal. Please, dont't try to take this way. No, I don't think the problem is personal. I think it's a misunderstanding, and you requested that I talk to Thomas about it. I will. --Jimbo ___

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-25 Thread Béria Lima
Geoffrey... The guy whit you are talking is one of the best sysops on pt.wikipedia. Don't be maniqueist please. The case is: Thomas is a good guy... but in the mailing list he stopped all the process of consensus. The problem is not just a discussion of Porantim and Thomas... are more of 10

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Godwin
Anthony writes: I guess what I didn't understand was that you were using the term freedom of speech to mean an absolute bar on the restriction of speech. This is not what I was using the term to mean. Would you say there is clearly a tension between fraud law (or perjury law) and

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phase 2

2008-11-25 Thread Chad
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Casey Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Ral315 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm completely speculating here, but maybe the reason we're doing so well so far is that, I'd imagine, a significant portion of our readers are in the tech

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Thomas Dalton
or the Red Cross keeping people from soliciting money for another charity using their symbols. Not a great example - the Red Cross symbol is protected by more than just trademark law, there are international treaties explicitly governing its use. ___

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 6:12 PM, Mike Godwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony writes: I guess what I didn't understand was that you were using the term freedom of speech to mean an absolute bar on the restriction of speech. This is not what I was using the term to mean. Then you

[Foundation-l] Site Notices Phase 2 - Annual Fundraiser 2008

2008-11-25 Thread Rand Montoya
Hey All-- There has been a lot of good feedback on the first set of site notices and we've taken those ideas and, I think, done a pretty good job of implementing fixes across projects and languages. The tech team has done fabulous work. You can see a brief statistical summary of the Phase I

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Godwin
Anthony writes: Then you haven't answered how the requirements of trademark maintenance and the interests of freedom of speech are in conflict. I have certainly tried to explain it. Do you need me to try to explain it again and again until you understand what I'm saying? Are you just

Re: [Foundation-l] Site Notices Phase 2 - Annual Fundraiser 2008

2008-11-25 Thread Nathan
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Rand Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: As such, Phase 2 drafts can be found here: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising_2008/design_drafts. We are attempting to re-define the space in a different manner to encourage those who have not yet donated. The

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Mike Godwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony writes: Are you just making this up off the top of your head? Is that an appropriate response? Surely one of your assume good faith memes would be appropriate here, wouldn't it? I feel certain that this is

[Foundation-l] Language codes to rename

2008-11-25 Thread Brion Vibber
For quick background, it's pretty painful to rename a database in our system, and we currently have a lot of bits in our configuration that make automatic relationships between the database name and the domain name, so this has delayed renaming of some language subdomains for a while. It's not

Re: [Foundation-l] Language codes to rename

2008-11-25 Thread Mark Williamson
There have been no edits at mo.wikipedia or mo.wiktionary because both databases are locked. Mark 2008/11/25 Brion Vibber [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For quick background, it's pretty painful to rename a database in our system, and we currently have a lot of bits in our configuration that make

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phase 2

2008-11-25 Thread Pharos
I think it's good that this started after the election. We would lose if we competed with Obama donations... As it is, I think some of the donors may be looking for new places to give. Thanks, Pharos On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Chad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 3:54

Re: [Foundation-l] Site Notices Phase 2 - Annual Fundraiser 2008

2008-11-25 Thread Casey Brown
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:47 PM, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Rand Montoya [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: The Quotes site notice will have 6 different quotes (all translated, we hope) rotated in. I don't know - I think it would be interesting, at least on the

[Foundation-l] Re Trademarks

2008-11-25 Thread Mike Godwin
Anthony writes: Instead of attacking my idea, you attacked me. I'm sorry you interpreted me as attacking you, which must seem incredibly unfair since you're scrupulous about refraining from getting personal. Did you figure I was attacking you because I learned in law school to attack

Re: [Foundation-l] The Wkii Way

2008-11-25 Thread Geoffrey Plourde
Democracy is still the enemy of autocracy. Also if a chapter gets really bad, people will vote with their dues and chapter will soon find itself in the red. From: Thomas Dalton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List

Re: [Foundation-l] The Wkii Way (was: A local chapter without Wikimedians)

2008-11-25 Thread Porantim
Best question... Maybe the [[ w:Invisible hand ]] (ouch) -- Porantim 2008/11/25 Marc Riddell [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 11/25/08 5:35 PM, Jimmy Wales at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lots of independent action loosely coordinated... the wiki way). Jimmy, In this type of loosely coordinated

[Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Everson
I don't know whether this is a reasonable place to put this problem, but the articles on Ireland on en.wikipedia.org need a serious look by people with a neutral view. Right now we've got a clique of about 10 editors filibustering and preventing any change to the article naming

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-26 Thread Aphaia
Geoffrey, I have been working with Luis and other guys as translators for years. Their devotion is much appreciated and I know them thoughtful, patient and experience Wikimedians who are deeply concerned about their project and thus its relationship to the real world. Personally I am afraid Jimmy

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-26 Thread Porantim
Ziko, Maybe the problem is my very poor english and I can't explain what I really think. There is *no* Wikimedia organisation in Brazil. There is no allegation about nothing. There is facts about *proposed* chapter. I suggest you to read the messas in beggining of this thread. Exept Jimb,

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
This subject line is very strange to me: A chapter without Wikimedians. A member of a Wikimedia organisation is a Wikimedian by definition, he is someone who supports with his fee and his invested sparetime the Wikimedia goals. If someone calls a fellow member a non Wikimedian, this is at least

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread Casey Brown
-- Forwarded message -- From: Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 2:21 PM Subject: [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org I don't know whether this is a reasonable place to put this problem, but the articles on

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread effe iets anders
As Michael Bimmler suggested, I think too that wikien-l would be more appropriate. This is an English Wikipedia issue, not a Wikimedia issue. BR, Lodewijk 2008/11/26 Michael Everson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 26 Nov 2008, at 13:27, Casey Brown wrote: There's a place on enwp called the

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread Dan Rosenthal
I think perhaps the intent was to get English and Irish editors involved. This has been on and off of the noticeboards at en.wikipedia.org multiple times, through Arbcom at least once, etc. -Dan On Nov 26, 2008, at 9:25 AM, effe iets anders wrote: As Michael Bimmler suggested, I think too

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony, Mike - I'm sure you haven't forgotten that this is Foundation-l, not Trademark 01 (or Intro to rhetoric, for that matter), but maybe we can draw the

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phase 2

2008-11-26 Thread Takashi OTA
Hi lists, Does anybody know whether there is a plan of matching donation for this fundraising season? --Takashi ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l

Re: [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread Christiano Moreschi
Amusing. I am strongly reminded of the fights over Macedonia and Liancourt Rocks. Except on those occasions nobody had any illusions that the participants on all side were any more than puerile time-wasters. Just because this lot have greater fluency in the English language doesn't mean that

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
2008/11/26 Porantim [EMAIL PROTECTED] The problem don't is people with no edits participate of the chapter, the problem is deny editors to participate. Sounds pretty much like an allegation to me. Make it hard. Ziko ___ foundation-l mailing list

Re: [Foundation-l] Site Notices Phase 2 - Annual Fundraiser 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
Such as: * Help Brion Vibber keep Wikipedia running (followed by his pic, and later with an explanation what he is doing) * Make Dr. Winiger's edits accessible to everyone (followed by a pic of this Zedler winner of 2007 ...) * Alice Weigand wants a fast and working Wikipedia when teaching

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2008/11/26 Michael Snow [EMAIL PROTECTED]: George Herbert wrote: I don't want Wikipedia being used to sell Coffee, or shares in Citibank. On a lighter note, have no fear about the latter - obviously the only thing capable of selling shares in Citi right now is a massive government bailout.

Re: [Foundation-l] Site Notices Phase 2 - Annual Fundraiser 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 8:03 AM, Ziko van Dijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quotes should be in the local language, indeed. Germans would find it strange to see suddenly quotes in a foreign language and believe that a technical fault has happend. What about portret photos next to a quote? A

Re: [Foundation-l] Site Notices Phase 2 - Annual Fundraiser 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
If we focused on a wider range of people, not just special people (staffers or awar winners), it would be okay. I like the idea as it is now, though. Yes, it should be a wide range, maybe 10-20 different people, so that readers will not always see the same. The tricky thing is: the persons

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-26 Thread Anthony
On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 11:23 AM, Michael Bimmler [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Anthony [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 26, 2008 at 10:35 AM, Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anthony, Mike - I'm sure you haven't forgotten that this is Foundation-l, not

[Foundation-l] Regional Conference of Wikimedia Serbia 2008

2008-11-26 Thread Nikola Smolenski
Hello, Wikimedia Serbia is proud to announce the Regional Conference of Wikimedia Serbia 2008. The Regional Conference of Wikimedia Serbia will be held at 19th, 20th and 21st December in Belgrade, in the Belgrade Youth Home. Depending on the number and locations of participants, we are likely

Re: [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Outside of those involved, I don't think many harbor those same illusions here either. -Dan On Nov 26, 2008, at 11:50 AM, Christiano Moreschi wrote: Amusing. I am strongly reminded of the fights over Macedonia and Liancourt Rocks. Except on those occasions nobody had any illusions that

[Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread Michael Everson
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2008 16:50:38 + From: Christiano Moreschi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland Amusing. I am strongly reminded of the fights over Macedonia and Liancourt Rocks. Except on those occasions nobody had any illusions that the participants on

Re: [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread David Yellope
Again, this is not the place for it. I see you've brought it up with Jimbo and elsewhere, so please stop canvassing a EN-WP dispute in places it doesn't belong. David ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe:

Re: [Foundation-l] Trouble in Ireland

2008-11-26 Thread geni
2008/11/26 David Gerard [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I've been suggesting on wikien-l something like trying to work out, with actual numbers, what article readers would reasonably be expecting where. This led to suggesting an idea on wikitech-l on how to gather internal referer logs (where people go

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
I wonder whether Proctor and Gamble will ever sue Wikimedia Foundation because of its brand *Wick MediNite*... Here my little brainstorming: Wikipedia on USB-stick, with WP-logo, updates automatically (put it into an online computer over night). A lap top beveridge holder (certainly already on

Re: [Foundation-l] Trademarks

2008-11-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
Wikipedia on USB-stick, with WP-logo, updates automatically (put it into an online computer over night). I like the sound of that. (It wouldn't need to be overnight, a patch containing a week's worth, say, of (vetted) edits to a selection of articles small enough to fit on a USB-stick (with

Re: [Foundation-l] A local chapter without Wikimedians

2008-11-26 Thread Jimmy Wales
Porantim wrote: The problem don't is people with no edits participate of the chapter, the problem is deny editors to participate. Porantim, I hear what you are saying and I agree with you. There should never be a chapter which denies that participation of editors. I'll go even further:

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