Re: [Foundation-l] Who The Hell Writes Wikipedia, Anyway?

2009-01-08 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 12:49 AM, Mark Williamson node...@gmail.com wrote: I do. Bots do. 2009/1/7 Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com: A friend of mine put my attention to this blog post [1]. I didn't read it as it is too late now (I just heard friend's description of the article), but I think

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia IdeaTorrent?

2009-01-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Yes. For fun, which brainstorming needs. Ever since Jamesday stopped spiking the punch in the virtual server room, the bugzilla quote list + mascot hasn't sufficed. SJ On Wed, Jan 28, 2009 at 3:22 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you haven't seen it yet, Ubuntu is running an

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution made cleaner?

2009-02-02 Thread Samuel Klein
I usually agree with the Mingus, but: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 5:45 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: On Monday 02 February 2009 22:41:37 Brian wrote: Following this line of reasoning in both directions, many

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution made cleaner?

2009-02-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I advocate a much more flexible attribution scheme than listing the authors or printing a url to the history page. I think a simple (Wikipedia) is a sufficient attribution for text. If you have the text it is trivial to find

Re: [Foundation-l] Attribution made cleaner?

2009-02-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Feb 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: If you are willing to accept that a URL is sufficient, then there is no reason to ever show the authors - it's only to accomodate the fact that the CC-BY-SA contains a clause which isn't really relevant to the projects.

Re: [Foundation-l] [Textbook-l] Wikibooks community-building meeting

2009-02-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Mike, On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 7:57 PM, Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm wrote: just organize a time to get people together in #wikibooks on irc.freenode.net. We'd set up a roster of topics to cover and just fire around ideas for a while. That's a fine idea. It might also be

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Copying the Commons list. I am interested in hosting (and running some scripts on) copies of the commons media dump on offline regional servers for offline-reading purposes. This is difficult without an image dump. The last time I looked, I was able to find an image dump from 2007? Now I have a

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Wikipedia on xkcd

2009-02-24 Thread Samuel Klein
We should all try the xkcd cure for a while : stick to short words on this list for a week and see where it gets us. (kat, is this curt's law? what sorts of threads are star-crossed to end this way?)SJ. On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:09 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] dumps

2009-02-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Excellent -- following up offlist. SJ On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 2/23/09 5:31 PM, Samuel Klein wrote: Copying the Commons list. I am interested in hosting (and running some scripts on) copies of the commons media dump on offline regional

Re: [Foundation-l] Simple English Encyclopedia

2009-02-25 Thread Samuel Klein
referencing with decisions made in creating esperanto et al would be fun OR. -- Samuel Klein +1 617 529 4266 One Laptop per Child On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 6:59 PM, Cary Bass c...@wikimedia.org wrote: Ray Saintonge wrote: Brian Salter-Duke wrote: However my central point that a discussion of something

Re: [Foundation-l] Amazon Public Data includes Wikipedia

2009-02-25 Thread Samuel Klein
thread convergence! It didn't include wikipedia-proper when I looked yesterday, but this was suggested... On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 11:26 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Why not make the uncompressed dump available as an Amazon Public Dataset? http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/

Re: [Foundation-l] Interview: Wikipedia usability and test results

2009-04-01 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you Ziko. I always enjoy the unfiltered news exacerbated by the Kurier... you should broadcast your work more than once a year. And Ms. Kimura is clearly a crack dictator, she should be miked up regularly. SJ On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Ziko van Dijk zvand...@googlemail.com wrote:

Re: [Foundation-l] Anarchopedia changed its license

2009-04-19 Thread Samuel Klein
Milos, This is a great post. On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: As it may be of interest here, I am sending my blog posthttp://blog.millosh.org/2009/04/anarchopedia-changed-its-license.htmlto the list. And a couple of my personal notes:   - Anarchists

Re: [Foundation-l] Anarchopedia changed its license

2009-04-20 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 1:01 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 4:18 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, things are moving forward, this is true. And I will be happy to see free culture movement based on Tolstoy's, Kropotkin's and Goldman's ideas

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-20 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi, As has been mentioned elsewhere in comments on your writings, you have good ideas which aren't directly related to nudity or sexual content. 1) respect human subjects of photos and other media 1a) get explicit model consent, both for models who are 'many meters away' and for significant

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-20 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 10:18 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/20 Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com: I second this. Does anyone really believe it is even possible to set one standard of what it means to be 'collegial' and 'collaborative' for all cultures? These things are

Re: [Foundation-l] NPOV as common value?

2009-04-22 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:25 AM, Milos Rancic mill...@gmail.com wrote: Some of the NPOV-related problems may be solved by talking about context. If we say that a single piece of art (or propaganda or whatever) is not a context, then problems related to Commons are solved. Yes. Context is

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 10:01 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter pute...@mccme.ru wrote: This is under understanding the whole issue is not covered by BLP policy (I assume if a vagina is shown but the face is not this is not a BLP issue). I would feel better if we got model rights whenever using

Re: [Foundation-l] Principle and pragmatism with nudity and sexual content

2009-04-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Last post on this thread. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:38 PM, private musings thepmacco...@gmail.com wrote: There are many shots clearly 'posed' - which I personally feel means that permission is clearly granted by the subject - however there are also many which don't indicate that the subject

Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Appreciation

2009-04-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Welcome, Jennifer. The current foundation-l traffic isn't quite as vibrant an intro to the community today as it was in 2005 or so. I hope you will share your thoughts, even unformed! For a historical taste, don't forget to visit the nostalgia wiki: http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org ...and even

Re: [Foundation-l] Volunteer Appreciation

2009-04-24 Thread Samuel Klein
, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Welcome, Jennifer.  The current foundation-l traffic isn't quite as vibrant an intro to the community today as it was in 2005 or so.  I hope you will share your thoughts, even unformed! For a historical taste, don't forget to visit the nostalgia wiki

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-04-30 Thread Samuel Klein
I would love more context for this (excellent, ambitious) discussion. What timescales are to be considered? What range of scope reassessment is appropriate? A long-range planning section would be helpful, if only to provide context for more immediate targets. For comparison, here is a brief

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-04-30 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 6:23 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/4/30 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: I'd like to see Wikimedia as a community take some 300-year stances on knowledge dissemination, Did you mean 300 years? Yes. Considering the stakes and our capacity

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-03 Thread Samuel Klein
I could use a revision history and list of related discussions for this conversation. [perhaps a mailing list isn't the best or highest-visibility venue, considering the audience] Where else is this conversation taking place? Are past discussions of high-priority questions relevant? On Sat, May

Re: [Foundation-l] More on Wikimedia strategic planning

2009-05-03 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 4:19 AM, Sue Gardner susanpgard...@gmail.com wrote: * I was speaking with Lennart face-to-face, in Berlin -- although I think he and I have been having a version of the quality/participation conversation for about a year now. This conversation about the strategy

[Foundation-l] Foundation-community support and communication

2009-05-03 Thread Samuel Klein
In a different thread, Sue Gardner wrote: * Thanks Milos for advocating on behalf of a permanent Research Analyst! I want this too. An aside : many researchers in the community (of readers, if not editors) are interested in research of almost any type associated with WP/WMF data, and would

Re: [Foundation-l] Cross-wiki articles

2009-05-03 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 4:16 PM, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote: Amir Elisha Aharoni wrote: On Sat, May 2, 2009 at 21:09, Yoni Weiden yonideb...@gmail.com wrote: The question is - shouldn't there be one set of standards for all Wikipedias? Perhaps for issues so important that they demand

[Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Samuel Klein
I'm splitting off a separate thread about long-term archiving. The original thread is important enough not to derail it. This is a big topic, and also one that has been addressed in many different bodies of planning and literature. The Long Now foundation has considered a 10,000-year library

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-04 Thread Samuel Klein
layout? SJ On Mon, May 4, 2009 at 8:12 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/5 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: I'm splitting off a separate thread about long-term archiving.  The original thread is important enough not to derail it. This is a big topic, and also one that has been addressed

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, May 5, 2009 at 12:02 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I can tell you what the Rosetta folks would say: they would say that they paid $125k to Norsam for 5 prototype discs, and that we are free to do the same. Norsam have developed this technology at great cost and

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-07 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:16 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: I wouldn't go quite that far. The idea of doing it (or having done it) makes people feel good, due to the collective sci-fi-like fantasy implicitly promulgated by the project itself -- a future world of poverty and

Re: [Foundation-l] Stategic planning : Sharing textbook knowledge

2009-05-07 Thread Samuel Klein
* Of course this could be boiled down to part of a good comprehensive article on Wikipedia in the same way that all wikiprojects could be merged into WP if one were so inclined... On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 4:35 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/5/7 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: I

Re: [Foundation-l] Stategic planning : Sharing textbook knowledge

2009-05-08 Thread Samuel Klein
david gerard writes: No, no. All wikiprojects could be merged into *Wikibooks* if one were so inclined. The encyclopedia is clearly only one book in the library, it's just by far the biggest one. Indeed. Or into Wiktionary, since it's all just a matter of defining in detail various keywords,

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] commons and freely licensed sexual imagery

2009-05-15 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: El 5/14/09 3:16 PM, private musings escribió:     - Commons currently hosts many pictures, taken in a public place, without     the apparent permission of the subject...     highly unlikely to me to be genuinely released

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia is not censored (was Wikipedia is not the Karma Sutra, was Re: commons and freely licensed sexual imagery

2009-05-17 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 4:46 PM, Birgitte SB birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: There is certainly a way to design such a feature to address the concerns you list.  I believe the real problem with such a feature is in content selection. There are always the boderline cases and who puts in the work

Re: [Foundation-l] Long-term archiving of Wikimedia content

2009-05-19 Thread Samuel Klein
A brief update: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 5:17 AM, Samuel Klein The current amortized cost of making 10 nickel discs (each with 10,000 pages in a 100x100 grid) is around $500 each.   They can also make polymer copies for much less that are likely stable for at least a century. The amortized

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing resolution

2009-05-22 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks to everyone for handling the process so cleanly, and with an abundance of good information. Would it be possible to change the license switch to August 1 rather than June 15? I would like to point out the next major step, for which there is no time to lose : content compatibility with

Re: [Foundation-l] Licensing resolution

2009-05-22 Thread Samuel Klein
, 2009 at 7:05 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to everyone for handling the process so cleanly, and with an abundance of good information. Would it be possible to change the license switch to August 1 rather than June 15? I would like to point out the next major step, for which

[Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello, The relicensing process is underway. This means we have only 2 months to help GFDL wikis that want Wikipedia compatibility to follow suit. The clause that allows GFDL wikis to be relicensed to CC-BY-SA 3 expires on August 1 of this year. I am crossposting this from the licensing thread

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Brad : the practical implications are that we will lose the ability to copy work from a set of familiar collaborative sites -- many of which chose their license specifically to facilitate long-term exchange with Wikipedia -- and they will slowly lose access to the latest WP updates over months or

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 8:54 AM, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: The relicensing process is underway.  This means we have only 2 months to help GFDL wikis that want Wikipedia compatibility to follow suit. The clause that allows GFDL wikis to be relicensed to CC-BY-SA 3 expires on

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-27 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 1:30 AM, Ray Saintonge sainto...@telus.net wrote: Newyorkbrad (Wikipedia) wrote: The point I was making is that I expect people will continue importing and exporting as per past practice with no attention given to the issue and few people caring. From a legal point of

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Samuel Klein
As much as anything else it is the short time frame that will look pushy.  Wikipedia went through a lot of debate *before* the switch, and The timeframe is a problem, absolutely. the internal debates of others should not matter less.  As I understand what is being said they will still be

Re: [Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

2009-05-28 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:51 PM, David Goodman dgoodma...@gmail.com wrote: regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Free culture arose to permit reuse, and should continue that way. We should  simply have told the So it did. Wikipedia follows much stricter rules of reuse, which is fair, as it is

Re: [Foundation-l] One Wikipedia Per Person (regarding the distribution of and the ability to read Wikipedia)

2009-06-01 Thread Samuel Klein
This is a good thought-experiment to rerun regularly : working through what 'all human knowledge to each person in his/her own language' means (practical approximations of all, each, and own, c). I think at a minimum, without trying to directly solve high-upkeep projects such as hardware

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies #2

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Tisza Gergőgti...@gmail.com wrote: Tisza Gergő gti...@... writes: I do argue that it is not in violation of the privacy policy (whether the people here find it acceptable is another question). Just to make it clear, I don't think accordance with the privacy

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia tracks user behaviour via third party companies #2

2009-06-05 Thread Samuel Klein
Michael Snow writes: Maybe it's just the lawyer in me, but I read those comments primarily as a defense against a perceived prosecution for allegedly violating the privacy policy. I don't read them that way - rather as saying This isn't clearly in violation; it has been working for a long time

Re: [Foundation-l] [Commons-l] Some reflections about the governance of Commons

2009-06-15 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Stan Shebsstansh...@earthlink.net wrote: David Gerard wrote: 2009/6/15 Rama Neko raman...@gmail.com:        Furthermore, I sometimes have the feeling that contributors of Wikipedia expect us to host all sorts of unacceptable media in return of the service

Re: [Foundation-l] [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions

2009-06-19 Thread Samuel Klein
I agree this is important, to the projects and to the progress of flagged revs as a concept (which is still one step of a long journey). It is worth a quick thread on f-l for that reason if not for general interest. Sj samuel klein. s...@laptop.org. +1 617 529 4266 On Jun 19, 2009 6:47 PM

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-20 Thread Samuel Klein
There is a wealth of work done all the time by primary source researchers and publishers, which could be improved on by having wikisource entries, translations, c. Related question : how appropriate would large numbers of public domain texts, with page scans and the best available OCR [and

Re: [Foundation-l] Info/Law blog: Using Wikisource as an Alternative Open Access Repository for Legal Scholarship

2009-06-23 Thread Samuel Klein
Yes, but my understanding is that while google provided part of the mbp data and scans, its continued updates to ocr since then are not being shared. I would be glad to learn this was not the case... samuel klein. s...@laptop.org. +1 617 529 4266 On Jun 21, 2009 3:14 AM, Nikola Smolenski

Re: [Foundation-l] Issues about Copyright

2009-06-25 Thread Samuel Klein
What are examples of something which is fair use under chinese law but not under US law? goes to check the discussion In general you should not upload anything that violates US law. Additional standards are set by each community - in terms of free license v. fair use, whether an image is being

Re: [Foundation-l] Issues about Copyright

2009-06-25 Thread Samuel Klein
If PRC law says that factual statements published in PRC media cannot be copyrighted, then those statements may be available under a sort of PRC-PD license for anyone to use, including zh.wp -- it would not be a matter of fair use. Under PRC law, are statements of simple fact *published outside

Re: [Foundation-l] Why Wikipedia and not the Wikipedia?

2009-06-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Wikipedia does not take an article, nor does Wikimedia. When combined with an adjective modifying the project name, or a common noun modified by the name, the compound noun does take an article. Wikimedia is a non-profit charitable corporation. is correct; so are The English Wikipedia, the

Re: [Foundation-l] Why Wikipedia and not the Wikipedia?

2009-07-06 Thread Samuel Klein
... but it doesn't sound right to me. [On the other hand, I'm having a hard time thinking of a social or practical movement whose name doesn't have a 'the' in it.] SJ On Sun, Jul 5, 2009 at 7:29 PM, Deliriumdelir...@hackish.org wrote: Samuel Klein wrote: Wikipedia does not take an article, nor

Re: [Foundation-l] Meadow Mari Wikipedia

2009-07-10 Thread Samuel Klein
This is lovely! I know it has been under discussion for quite some time, congratulations. Will there be coverage of the cultural event on the new project? -sj On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Milos Rancicmill...@gmail.com wrote: First, I want to thank to Tim who created the project [1] today.

Re: [Foundation-l] NIH and Wikimedia Foundation collaborate to improve online health information

2009-07-14 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello Frank, This sounds very cool. Which Wikipedians will be there? Is it open to anyone at the NIH? Is there a public agenda? SJ On Tue, Jul 14, 2009 at 6:16 PM, Frank Schulenburg frank.schulenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, Every day millions of people access health information online.

Re: [Foundation-l] new list summaries

2009-07-19 Thread Samuel Klein
These are fabulous - thank you! I absolutely agree that smaller (but interesting) lists would attract more people if they saw what sorts of discussions happen there.[the technical dump-processing list is one example...] Sj On Sun, Jul 19, 2009 at 4:00 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-20 Thread Samuel Klein
Hi Eugene, very nice, thank you (and welcome!) * Could you please help update the meta page on the process with your thoughts and ideas? [[m:Strategic planning 2009]] What's your current rough timeline for the coming 12 months? * I see you are using a non-editable Chandler calendar to track

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 8:03 AM, Nikola Smolenski smole...@eunet.yu wrote: Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: it to Commons, or make it insufficiently; 2) why they do not make it ot the articles. I tried to make the point in the recent thread on the purpose of Commons, but somehow it did not draw

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
for this purpose. -Mike On Tue, 2009-07-21 at 02:19 -0400, Samuel Klein wrote: A related question - I see there was a request to set up a new domain, strategy.wikimedia.org What would this new site be for? New single-purpose wikis can flounder after distracting people with setting up basic

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 8:51 AM, Peter Gervai grin...@gmail.com wrote: And in my opinion uploading a reduced resolution image, like 1-5 Megapixels is completely good and acceptable for our mission. These are already quite useful resolutions, while they still aren't fit for mainstream media.

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Eugene Eric Kim ee...@blueoxen.comwrote: We'll start seeding Meta with what we know (and probably quite a bit of what we don't) today, and I'll look forward to reading other people's thoughts. That will be great. There's a tradeoff between starting with

Re: [Foundation-l] strategic planning IRC office hours

2009-07-21 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 6:44 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: I don't think it's comparable. The Quality Portal was an attempt to drive attention towards some existing technologies and initiatives - We have a simple and popular mechanism for creating portals. Why not ask the

Re: [Foundation-l] [Slashdot] Why the Photos On Wikipedia Are So Bad

2009-07-25 Thread Samuel Klein
Thanks for sharing that, fred. It is interesting indeed! Are you going to be in nyc by any chance this wknd? samuel klein. s...@laptop.org. +1 617 529 4266 On Jul 23, 2009 3:06 PM, Fred Benenson fred.benen...@gmail.com wrote: Hi There, Im a long time lurker on this list but work

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
When I say world of WP I mean world post-WP -- the world we live in, in which certain businesses are failing now that basic reliable information and data are available freely... It would be healthy to see compatibly-licensed projects that use different sets of core principles; not just wikinfo

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
As specific examples: It would be great if every publisher of any sort that does basic data mining and research into primary sources were to share that work directly on WP and sister projects. Publishers using free media and spending time and effort vetting their licenses should update the

Re: [Foundation-l] Analysis of statistics

2009-07-29 Thread Samuel Klein
I mean basic educational information about how things work, and how they relate to one another; data and facts; and maps, statistics, and visualizations of this sort of knowledge. You cannot copyright ideas, nor should one copyright the simplest expression of them. The merger doctrine specifies

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:51 PM, Philippe Beaudettepbeaude...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Jul 31, 2009, at 1:13 PM, Brian wrote: There is further no top down effort to ask the community if they have any good ideas, and then ask the community what they think about the best of those ideas.

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-07-31 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:45 PM, phoebe ayersphoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: Dear everyone, As a reminder, we also discussed suffrage requirements on this list last year: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2008-April/042105.html As a response to concerns over the proposed

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 9:09 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/7/31 Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com: On critical complex topics, the Foundation could benefit from more discussion and better planning.  Why have we made it so hard to start new Projects? I would suggest that we use

[Foundation-l] presentations and marketing @ events

2009-08-01 Thread Samuel Klein
[[Presentations]]: Are there any modern lists of speakers about the projects simiar to http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Presentations/speakers ? I bet that as a group we could get speaker or panel invitations to a number of digital library, elearning, linguistics, c conferences for people who

Re: [Foundation-l] presentations and marketing @ events

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 3:06 AM, Guillaume Paumierguillom@gmail.com wrote: Thanks, Guillom. Is there someplace other than [[Presentations]] and [[Posters]] where people are expected to share new media? No. But these pages are not publicised a lot. True. They need a set of navigation

Re: [Foundation-l] How was the only people who averaged two edits a week in the last six months can vote rule decided?

2009-08-02 Thread Samuel Klein
I could see this happening on Wikisource. I mention it as another project because it would eventually involve importing and organizing freely available metadata on roughly ten million books, and defining a style guide for helping organizing citations and comments about each as a source -- very

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
Another interesting point that knol drives home is : Google has a limited conception of what human collaboration looks like : how to identify it, how to harness it. Their efforts to support collaboration are very one-to-one, small-group or single contributor walled gardens that can be made

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Mike Godwinmnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 11:08 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I can give you some models in which Knol, properly structured, could have replaced us altogether.  In some sense that might be a victory for free

[Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-10 Thread Samuel Klein
PM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote: Samuel Klein wrote (in two messages): *A wiki for book metadata, with an entry for every published work, statistics about its use and siblings, and discussion about its usefulness as a citation (a collaboration with OpenLibrary, merging WikiCite

Re: [Foundation-l] Knol, a year later

2009-08-11 Thread Samuel Klein
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 3:57 PM, Mike Godwinmnemo...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 12:02 PM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: An interesting concept.  It's hard to replace an open collaborative process, but I think this is a subject worthy of a planning workshop

Re: [Foundation-l] [ol-discuss] [Wikisource-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Lars Aronssonl...@aronsson.se wrote: Let's take a practical example. A classics professor I know (Greg Crane, copied here) has scans of primary source materials, some with approximate or hand-polished OCR, waiting to be uploaded and converted into a useful

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Election vote strikes

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 11:50 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: This is important:  NO ONE WAS DISENFRANCHISED BY THE ERROR. People were given suffrage who weren't entitled. This comment makes my skin crawl. Everyone is entitled to have a voice and it is only the Board's impoverished

Re: [Foundation-l] Positive mention of Wikimedia sites in a web privacy study:

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Klein
Feature Request Aside : I would appreciate having a preference to turn on aggressive use tracking for myself -- to provide me with personal statistics about my own site usage. Currently there's nothing other than a watchlist (or hand-created/edited page) and some toolserver tools that track edits

Re: [Foundation-l] Open Library, Wikisource, and cleaning and translating OCR of Classics

2009-08-12 Thread Samuel Klein
. It would be best not to duplicate work on several places. Personally I don't find OL very practical. May be I am too much used too Mediawiki. ;oD We still need to create something, attractive to contributors and readers alike. Yann Samuel Klein wrote: This thread started out

[Foundation-l] Fwd: Talis Incubator for Open Education funding available

2009-08-19 Thread Samuel Klein
This seems like an amazing chance for WikiProjects in almost any area. Describe how your work supports open education, set a project with milestones and metrics for success, and submit a grant request: http://blogs.talis.com/education/incubator/guidelines/ SJ -- Forwarded message

Re: [Foundation-l] New projects opened

2009-08-23 Thread Samuel Klein
On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 7:16 PM, Erik Zachteerikzac...@infodisiac.com wrote: Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: I am of course thinking about the list of 1000 articles each wikipedia should have. Just completing a significant part of that list is an accomplishment for a tiny pool of editors, but

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikispecies

2009-08-27 Thread Samuel Klein
Andrew, This is a great response and anecdote. I have regularly run across people working on EOL, which has a broad staff one of whose tasks is to keep an eye on species-data resources around the web; and they are generally quite positive about wikispecies, and thinking about ways to better

[Foundation-l] Board QA session this afternoon, and IRC

2009-08-28 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello, There is a QA session with the whole board scheduled for this afternoon at 3:45 EST, at the end of Wikimania: http://wikimania2009.wikimedia.org/wiki/Schedule It will run for an hour. If you have questions to ask but are not physically at the event, you can post questions in

Re: [Foundation-l] Expert board members - a suggestion

2009-08-29 Thread Samuel Klein
Hello Mark, On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Deliriumdelir...@hackish.org wrote: I'd personally place myself on the objecting to WMF expansion side, at least in general sentiment. With larger organizations, you can indeed do more, but also run more risks. In particular, organizations with

Re: [Foundation-l] [ol-discuss] Universal Library

2009-09-03 Thread Samuel Klein
Yann - A nice draft. you might want to add collaborative, editable, versioned, multilingual, annotated database of all published works (you may want more than just books). To Lars and DGG: OL is doing just fine for some definitions of the terms involved. But it needs ways for crowds to help,

Re: [Foundation-l] 31 august, 20 years of our national holiday Our romanian language in Moldova, mo.wikipedia still in cyrillic !

2009-09-04 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 8:36 AM, Chadinnocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:07 AM, Andre Engelsandreeng...@gmail.com wrote: The foundation holds technical control over the wikipedia domains; nothing can be done but by the foundation to for example rename a wiki. A purely

Re: [Foundation-l] Proposal: Commons Force

2009-09-07 Thread Samuel Klein
I met a few people helping out with Wikimania, including the lead photographer on site, who got involved with the local Wikimedia community after their photostream was found on Flickr and incorporated into Wikipedia (es:wp)... Discovering your work has been used by someone else is always a nice

Re: [Foundation-l] open IRC meeting w/ Wikimedia Trustees: this Friday, 1800 UTC

2009-09-09 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 3:40 PM, Michael Snowwikipe...@verizon.net wrote: Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/9/8 Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 2:58 PM, Michael Snowwikipe...@verizon.net wrote: The announcement makes it clear this is intended for the new board members

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On 9/8/09, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 6:28 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: 2009/9/8 Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: What could be the cause of this recent dearth of new projects? Certainly the process for getting a new project underway

Re: [Foundation-l] Moderate this list

2009-09-10 Thread Samuel Klein
This is effectively the only cross-project list at the moment. And it is the canonical place to raise certain important issues and announcements. It has become popular to disparage this list as a poor place to have serious discussions about the foundation -- and to do the disparaging in private,

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-10 Thread Samuel Klein
I agree with Tim's initial points. On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: David Gerard wrote: wine-users - http://forum.winehq.org/ If you allow posting via email, then you lose the ability to properly authenticate those posts. If you allow receiving of

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-10 Thread Samuel Klein
On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Some of us feel that the foundation has become out of our reach. That no matter how much we discuss and try to reach consensus it will just be too hard, Is this related to the foundation per se? This is just a

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-11 Thread Samuel Klein
Tisza, this is very well put. On 9/11/09, Tisza Gergő gti...@gmail.com wrote: - the discussion space is divided by time, not by topic. What little topic-based Yes. put another way, 'there is no natural namespace to fill and revise over time as all useful discussions are traversed' - the

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-14 Thread Samuel Klein
I find projects to build large catalogs interesting; many of these are simply not done well online. If you have a free catalog, you can visaulize its elements on a map / with search; add reviews and images and comments to what was previously uncommentable. Some potential catalogs: Organizations

Re: [Foundation-l] Expert board members - a suggestion

2009-09-16 Thread Samuel Klein
I always read Domas's posts, because they raise my spirits :) On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 4:20 PM, Domas Mituzas midom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Now, for those who fail at reading comprehension, let me point out to the report from ED to board: a desire to defer equipment purchases while various

Re: [Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

2009-09-16 Thread Samuel Klein
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 11:26 AM, Pharos pharosofalexand...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:31 PM, Michael Snow wikipe...@verizon.net wrote: John Vandenberg wrote: On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: I propose expanding the notion of the Wikimedia

Re: [Foundation-l] WMF decommissions servers

2009-09-16 Thread Samuel Klein
That is lovely; thanks for the announcement, mike. sj On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 2:00 PM, Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello, I wanted to let folks know that WMF is decommissioning some 35 servers, and is willing to accept

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