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under submitting are pretty much zilch. In any case there are likely
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> masti
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2009/6/10 Brian :
> Google and the user entered into a completely different contract by agreeing
> to operate on freely licensed content.
>
Show me exactly where they entered into such an agreement.
Sane, non evil TOS service are not Google's strong point. Remember the
chrome me
2009/6/10 Brian :
> You're choosing not to get it. I can't help that.
So you can't actually back up your assertion.
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he Services."
If if we took your highly non standard position that providing Google
with a URL is not submitting the content the output is displayed by
Google and you have no way to grant them the above rights over it for
third party CC-BY-SA content.
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http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Pewter_Tankard.jpg
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tionable assertions.
The June 15 target is unrealistic at this point since some of the
issues are going to be tricky to fix (an awful lot of thought has gone
into the english Terms for edit screen over the years) or requires
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2009/6/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/6/11 geni :
>> The current English wikipedia copyright terms are "You irrevocably
>> agree to release your contributions under the GFDL" which clocks in at
>> ten words. There are another 13 words of editing guidance.
>>
>&g
2009/6/11 Jim Redmond :
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 19:26, geni wrote:
>
>> The current English wikipedia copyright terms are "You irrevocably
>> agree to release your contributions under the GFDL" which clocks in at
>> ten words. There are another 13 words of e
2009/6/11 Jim Redmond :
> On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 15:59, geni wrote:
>
>> Not really. In the current notice the footnote stuff isn't technically
>> required. It's mostly there to provide something to point to if people
>> start trying to use the more ann
r otherwise messed
with means that they can hardly be considered stable.
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and consulted are irrelevant to the actual terms of
> release. Furthermore, they are against policy, and should be reverted
> on sight.
No such policy exists. Are you proposing one?
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nto a few years back.
> A user's interpretation of the license
> may or may not be in line with the correct
> view. If it is not, they should not contribute. That's all I have.
"Correct view" is not a good choice of terminology.
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It doesn't but Erik appears to hope that enough hand waving will make
the issue go away.
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increase of up to 20% in
> donations.
Ever look at the classic skin? Much like what we used before monobook.
Anyway the donate link is in much the same place. Little evidence of
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It's also the case that killing off GFDL-only would likely require us
by the same reasoning to kill of GPL and that would cause significant
issues.
See:
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:License_Migration_Tas
2009/6/24 philippe :
> Geni, I think that's a flawed argument, if I understand you correctly.
You would need to know about some wiki politics in 2006 to get it.
Suffice to say the side bar suggestion didn't get very far. Of course
at that point we were informed that the current anon
kipedia
encyclopedia..." which is about the only context I can think of where
you would see "the Encarta" show up.
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; because I, for one, disbelieve such wide conclusions.
The results are hardly earth shattering as it basically adds up to
"wikipedia is written but people with weak social skills aka nerds"
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easons you can't let
wikipedians execute arbitrary code through templates there is always
going to be the problem of wikipedians useing workarounds that
generate problematical code.
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2009/7/6 David Gerard :
> 2009/7/6 geni :
>
>> Questionable. Since for fairly obvious reasons you can't let
>> wikipedians execute arbitrary code through templates there is always
>> going to be the problem of wikipedians useing workarounds that
&
share.
>
Promoting any one browser for any reason is kinda dicey. Given how
contentious browser wars are it wouldn't look to good from the POV of
remaining neutral. Has anyone managed to work the firefox code into
Konqueror yet?
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2009/7/9 David Gerard :
> 2009/7/9 geni :
>
>> Promoting any one browser for any reason is kinda dicey. Given how
>> contentious browser wars are it wouldn't look to good from the POV of
>> remaining neutral. Has anyone managed to work the firefox code into
>> K
2009/7/9 David Gerard :
> 2009/7/9 geni :
>
>> Mention VLC plugin perhaps?
>
>
> Again, you're making suggestions to create an image of
> pseudo-neutrality. The VLC plugin is notoriously problematic in
> practice. Your suggestion would be actively misleading. I
2009/7/10 David Gerard :
> 2009/7/9 David Gerard :
>> 2009/7/9 geni :
>
>>> Mention VLC plugin perhaps?
>
>> Again, you're making suggestions to create an image of
>> pseudo-neutrality. The VLC plugin is notoriously problematic in
>> practice.
go) I think it is understandable if people are not entirely
prepared to sit back and hope the devs get on with it.
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ense in context. Why would we
> advise *against* an OS?
Ubuntu is as much a software package including an OS as a pure OS. It
can be considered amusing that the bundling that got Microsoft into
trouble has become standard practice for pretty much any general
one being
> sued, it isn't your call.
Legally at the moment no one is being sued. Additionally none of the
actions being carried out would be in contempt of court even if there
was an ongoing case at this point.
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2009/7/11 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/7/11 geni :
>> 2009/7/11 Thomas Dalton :
>>> 2009/7/11 John at Darkstar :
>>>> I sent out a press release earlier today to newspapers in Norway. It was
>>>> sent to around 200 recipients. Perhaps others could do the sa
reat weapon for those wishing to cause
further problems for those threatened with lawsuits.
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'works' enough of the time?)
>
> I'd be happier still if the image I linked to in my previous post was
> permanently deleted, which by my judgment would be the best outcome.
>
> cheers,
>
> Peter,
> PM.
The i
on't work in this case. We
know the hi res stuff is PD in the US so have no real incentive not to
use them (and if we don't others will).
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2009/7/17 Yann Forget :
> geni wrote:
>> 2009/7/17 David Gerard :
>>> So: what would everyone here like to see in a compromise, that
>>> addresses the concerns of all sides? What makes the NPG happier and
>>> more secure, and will fly with WMF and with th
2009/7/17 Thomas Dalton :
> 2009/7/17 geni :
>> 2009/7/17 David Gerard :
>>> So: what would everyone here like to see in a compromise, that
>>> addresses the concerns of all sides? What makes the NPG happier and
>>> more secure, and will fly with WMF and with th
icient funds to make it a
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2009/7/18 Yann Forget :
> geni wrote:
>> 2009/7/18 John at Darkstar :
>>> Sorry, I don't follow you on this one. If the existing business model
>>> don't work and it should be changed, then work with them to change it
>>> and make the alternate options
2009/7/18 Yann Forget :
> geni wrote:
>> 2009/7/18 Durova :
>>> Put me in touch with instructors at art schools and I'll incorporate
>>> restoration into their curriculum. You'll be surprised how scaleable this
>>> is, particularly if we work
rs who
have identified themselves to the foundation.
When you made the decision not th resign I doubt you could have
foreseen the extension issue coming up but it does suggest that
conflict of interest resignations should probably be a matter of
course r
committee he is meant to make the
decision on the basis of what is best for the election. Problem is he
also has a clear personal interest in choosing the option that is most
likely to give him the type of boss's boss he wants.
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added to it by teenagers. And it's not just
different inclusion standards. For example [[Langstone]] meets any
reasonable inclusion standards. De does not have an article.
[[Ordnance Survey]] is clearly notable. No article on De.
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a day) that pattern ceased a couple of years back.
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Then why are you talking about FAs? The mainstream are not FAs.
But still there is no really reason to think think we don't have
plenty youngsters able to write science and technology articles.
While people keep pretty quiet about ages on en I've certainly run
across people at university
2009/7/26 Henning Schlottmann :
> geni wrote:
>
>> English wikipedia has 2.9 million articles and far more words and can
>> still have things added to it by teenagers. And it's not just
>> different inclusion standards. For example [[Langstone]] meets any
>> reas
2009/7/26 effe iets anders :
> Has this issue been resolved? I think it would be quite serious if the
> committee is not functioning, so would like to get some confirmation here.
> Thanks.
>
> Lodewijk
>
Doesn't appear to be.
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>
> -Steven
Nope. Many charities of various sizes rely on year to year donations.
Financial self-sufficiency is mostly limited to various internet
projects that manage to replace donations with ads and merchandise.
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could be argued that about the about the
only country wikipedia is actually legal in is the US.
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> projects, but obviously engagement with such external bodies / codes of
> practice etc. is far from limited to that sphere,
>
> best,
>
> Peter,
> PM.
Is based on German law so no. There are rather a lot of other flaws
but that one is a complete killer.
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> in what it was called...
>
> -- brion
Problem is that the ideal title depends on the target somewhat.
Within some sections of the the open source community something like
something like "lead hacker" would probably have quite an . On the
oth
t; * Turkish Wikinews (http://tr.wikinews.org/)
Is there any chance of a wikipedia in any of the Berber languages
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ed wikipedia down in the past. I
doubt it will have much impact in the long term.
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> numbers. Now to try to get accountability for the clear fiddles.
Given the difficultly in acquiring OS stuff that is already PD don't
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Appointing yet another person with wikia links looks kinda dicey no?
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in Moldova.
Cyrillic Moldovan is a relic of soviet occupation outside of
Transnistria which depending on your POV is an ongoing russian
occupation or a valid if somewhat recently formed nation.
In either case useing the "mo" code for Cyrillic Mol
Problems:
1)I don't think the WMF is the only occupant of the building
2)The amount described is pretty much consistent with the WMF's entire
office there which means if it was the WMF subletting it is more
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sider apologising?
Thats... impressively amoral.
> When the Watergate story broke,
The people involved were far better at what they did than you are.
Investigative journalism is hard and involves more than grabbing a
factoid then coating it with acusations and spin which support your
world vi
er
> country. Australian English or Jamaican English are less easily understood.
> I do not know to what extend Indian English is homogeneous..
>
Tends towards 1947 British English.
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protect doesn't really
work.
Additionally if it was actually seamless it wouldn't impact vandalism.
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. I wouldn't
get your hopes up.
>
> Here is a challenge for anyone else on the list who is as turned-off as I am
> about how many of the en.WP editors have approached >this whole issue from
> Day 1: Let's make an effort only to respond to threads for the rest of the
&
d to
> an environment in which we can restore that ability for unregistered
> contributors.
>
We already have the patrolled function on new pages.
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if it was remotely enforceable.
Worse still articles like [[Canal]] would be effectively unrwritable
by anyone. Since there is not going to be anyone aware of all the
worldwide scholarly literature on the topic.
[[Canals of the United Kingdom]] would probably be impossible since
ev
hip 1994). You appear to be missing the point that wikipedia
is a collaboration.
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>
> This means that even though you can't see complete pages, google has the
> complete content stored, and with a little trickery you can get to text
> beyond the snippets:
>
> http://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&tbo=1&q=%22did,+might+we
?
>
And if you think any of the above have answers you will discover the
problem that wikipedia has with the likes of philosophy.
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On 3 October 2010 16:40, Andreas Kolbe wrote:
> Geni, would you like to describe how you research sources?
Entirely depends on what I'm doing. Sometimes I start with an article
and go looking for refs. In other cases I start with a reference and
go looking for articles.
> "Revie
On 3 October 2010 18:23, Peter Damian wrote:
> Geni:
>>>However it fundamentally fails to explain why other areas of the
>>>humanities such as those covered by
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Military_history/Maritime_warfare_task_force/Operation_Ma
earth qualified to write the [[Canal]] article.
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On 4 October 2010 19:31, Henning Schlottmann wrote:
> On 03.10.2010 17:03, geni wrote:
>
>> So I can run a 30 second search on the british library catalogue than
>> go back to doing what I was going to do all along. Great use of my
>> time.
>
> Wikipedia
t reach
> than Business Week, Time Magazine, or CBS News.)
Or to put it another way a bunch of sites unlikely to game their alexa rank.
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> We should use CC0 instead of PD-Self.
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ty qualify as encyclopedias.
"Wikipedia is not an encyclopedia" is a great bit of rhetoric but it
is not consistent with any rational definition of encyclopedia. Of
course pre wikipedia I doubt anyone outside OED really worried about
the definition of encyclopedia.
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On 24 October 2010 20:47, Anthony wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:43 PM, geni wrote:
>> On 24 October 2010 20:26, Anthony wrote:
>>
>>> None of which I'd expect to say that John Seigenthaler is a murderer.
>>> There are mistakes of facts, and then there
st
> added nonsense to the article on Maurice Jarre.
You've just defined the New Columbia Encyclopedia as not an
encyclopedia (see
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/08/29/050829ta_talk_alford ).
And then well consider this:
http://en.wikipedia
ngs listed at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_historical_encyclopedias fall to
one side while wikipedia does not.
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has been increasing it's rate of updates.
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global volunteer community of more than 100,000 people." You are
using some non standard definitions of community here.
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nt isopods.
The downside:
1)We would need to check how compatible the filters are with
equivalent software on chrome and opera
2)There is no equivalent for internet explorer
3)Phones could be a problem although if there is actual demand I
assume someone will
ver to CC-BY-SA they probably are. Of
course at least English wikipedians can actually read to the TOS they
are meant to agree to. Polish speakers say are likely to face more
issues. Of course under many if not most European legal systems they
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On 2 November 2010 03:53, Nikola Smolenski wrote:
> Дана Tuesday 02 November 2010 02:57:10 geni написа:
>> 2010/11/1 KIZU Naoko :
>> > I see, thanks Mike. Personally I'm not for this kind of attempt, I'd
>> > rather agree with Ryan: if and only if they compli
nt to the point where "is it a violation of the
architect's moral rights to alter a bridge?" is a valid question (the
answer was no BTW but it was a close thing).
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wikipedia highly (in fact while I haven't checked recently for a long
time google ranked wikipedia lower than those two) it seems unlikely
that any reasonable algorithmic change would kill off wikipedia's
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t is a standard
> format.
>
Sure but not for references. The references in your examples do not
include funding sources.
> Where references are hyperlinked, as in your counterexample, professionals
> can view the article. Our readers cannot, unless they have access to the
> relevant ac
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I think it is something we should do. The citizendium
community/Editorial Council may well say no but at least we will have
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On 12 November 2010 17:37, Marcus Buck wrote:
> An'n 12.11.2010 08:56, hett geni schreven:
>> Should we offer to host citizendium?
> Headlines of tomorrow: "Wikipedia buys out competitor. Chucked-out
> Editor-in-Chief Larry Sanger says: They try to defend their de-fac
them to come up with a
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On 12 November 2010 19:30, Anthony wrote:
> Oh, well what's the point of that? Might as well just give them
> money, as the WMF would just be purchasing those ISP services from
> someone else anyway.
The point of offering services rather than money is that we can
control the c
legal services is one area where
it's doing fairly well.
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for established editors so where you want to be able to prevent non
established editors from doing something your only real option you
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> We have Geni, many ways to determine if someone is an established editor.
Name one that doesn't boil down to editcountitis
> We have flags already to mark people as established editors in addition to
> that.
I for one have no wish to tur
On 26 November 2010 01:35, wrote:
> In a message dated 11/25/2010 3:31:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> geni...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> On 25 November 2010 22:15, wrote:
>> > We have Geni, many ways to determine if someone is an established
>> editor.
>>
On 4 December 2010 16:56, wrote:
> In a message dated 12/4/2010 6:50:38 AM Pacific Standard Time,
> geni...@gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Actually we have at least 3.
>>
>> Editor, admin bureaucrat, steward, dev.
>>
>> everyone, arbcom
>>
>> Ev
t at least Santa Claus.
>
> Totally dismayed,
>
> Virgilio A. P. Machado
>
Since mid 2004. The existence of arbcom and the foundation are hardly
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