Re: [Foundation-l] Controversial content software status

2012-03-07 Thread Delirium
On 3/7/12 6:52 PM, Juliana da Costa José wrote: so it would be not longer possible too, to have medical pictures f.e. from surgeries, organs or corpses, because they could frighten people? I don't think anyone's proposing that the information should be removed from articles; just that there

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-20 Thread Delirium
On 2/20/12 10:39 AM, Ray Saintonge wrote: As Mark has said, some subjects are highly vulnerable to recentism, but one shouldn't expect that with a historical article about events from 1886. I agree it's more of a problem in some areas than others, but I think it also often applies as a

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-19 Thread Delirium
On 2/19/12 4:12 PM, Sarah wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 6:44 AM, Mike Godwinmnemo...@gmail.com wrote: I think the article in The Chronicle of Higher Education is a must-read. Here you have a researcher who actually took pains to learn what the rules to editing Wikipedia are (including No

Re: [Foundation-l] The 'Undue Weight' of Truth on Wikipedia (from the Chronicle) + some citation discussions

2012-02-19 Thread Delirium
On 2/19/12 2:29 AM, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: The key problem here is that WP:UNDUE was expressly written to address the problem of genuine ongoing controversies, and fringe views. In this case there is no ongoing controversy, but the use of the policy has for long been used to remove new

Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Right to be Forgotten

2012-02-11 Thread Delirium
Is the worry primarily around article-space, or around Wikipedia users? There's already http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Courtesy_vanishing, though it would have to be made somewhat more rigorous (and no longer a mere courtesy) if it were an actual legal obligation. As a non-lawyer, I

Re: [Foundation-l] The Mediawiki 1.18 image rotation bug

2011-12-14 Thread Delirium
On 12/12/11 9:47 PM, Andrew Gray wrote: On 12 December 2011 19:22, Möller, Carstenc.moel...@wmco.de wrote: Who has asked for such a silly feature? Every uploader sees the image he/she is uploading and has made the necessary rotation beforehand. I've certainly uploaded screwily-rotated files

Re: [Foundation-l] Vital Articles underperforming?

2011-12-06 Thread Delirium
On 12/4/11 4:01 PM, Andreas K. wrote: many featured articles – at least on en:WP – are about niche topics, while so-called vital articles (VA), i.e. core topics that any encyclopedia would be expected to cover well, are underperforming, with comparatively few making FA or GA. Looking at the VA

Re: [Foundation-l] Interesting legal action

2011-05-23 Thread Delirium
On 5/23/11 1:40 AM, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 23 May 2011 00:03, FT2ft2.w...@gmail.com wrote: Out of interest, when a BLP is created and not speedy deleted, could we not write a standard email to the subject stating that a biographical article has been created on them on the online encyclopedia

Re: [Foundation-l] Organization on Wikipedia that deals withcontent issues.

2010-08-29 Thread Delirium
On 08/29/2010 10:25 AM, Peter Damian wrote: Do you mean the problem of experts being generally discouraged? I was talking about the problem of there being serious errors in articles, particularly in the humanities. I agree with David that when it comes to facts and figures, Wikipedia is

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-12 Thread Delirium
On 05/11/2010 09:45 AM, Aryeh Gregor wrote: The obvious solution is not to display images by default that a large number of viewers would prefer not to view. Instead, provide links, or maybe have them blurred out and allow a click to unblur them. You don't hide any information from people

Re: [Foundation-l] Spectrum of views (was Re: Sexual Imagery on Commons: where the discussion is happening)

2010-05-11 Thread Delirium
On 05/11/2010 11:58 AM, Noein wrote: And there is a general consensus here about those libertarian views? I'm impressed. Sorry to repetitively check the ethical temperature of the community, but I come from social horizons where it's not only not natural, but generates hatred. I never could

Re: [Foundation-l] Jimbo's Sexual Image Deletions

2010-05-10 Thread Delirium
On 05/10/2010 03:11 AM, Tim Starling wrote: On 10/05/10 15:25, Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva wrote: BTW, I also have a broader question. Who entrusted power to the Board of Trustees? Jimmy Wales determined the structure of the Wikimedia Foundation when he created it. He and Bomis

Re: [Foundation-l] Filtering ourselves is pointless

2010-05-10 Thread Delirium
On 05/10/2010 02:57 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:36 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Jimbo's actions were ridiculously damaging for *no gain whatsoever*. I understand that you believe this. But it depends on what you mean by damage and on what you

Re: [Foundation-l] Minors and sexual explicit stuff

2009-11-18 Thread Delirium
George Herbert wrote: On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 9:27 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: So state it as much as you want. The WMF is a publisher. Under Section 230 of the CDA it most likely won't be treated as a publisher, but that doesn't mean it isn't a publisher. The section

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-09 Thread Delirium
Erik Moeller wrote: Part of traditional professionalization is also to only make a commitment when you feel you can uphold it. So where a casual, informal organization is more likely to say Yeah, sure and then never do anything (FlaggedRevisions and SUL being two examples of this happening in

Re: [Foundation-l] Use of moderation

2009-09-09 Thread Delirium
Austin Hair wrote: In Buenos Aires I had multiple people ask (even practically beg) me to do something about foundation-l. One person said fucking moderate foundation-l, already!—to which I explained why I didn't think that moderating individuals was a solution, but had to admit that I didn't

Re: [Foundation-l] Projekt: OpenCritics (let's free subjective content, too!!)

2009-08-30 Thread Delirium
Sage Ross wrote: Hence the desirability of creating a free alternative to Amazon's reviews. Amazon's reviews, especially for manufactured goods, are an extremely valuable public service (even if you don't shop at Amazon), and the fact they are controlled and maintained by a for-profit

Re: [Foundation-l] Expert board members - a suggestion

2009-08-29 Thread Delirium
Thomas Dalton wrote: Anthony's not exactly being fair, though, when he sort of suggests that the shortfall in Technology spending went instead to the Executive Director. As far as I can tell, it went into the bank, to be spent in the FOLLOWING YEARS on the Executive Director's need to expand

Re: [Foundation-l] Expert board members - a suggestion

2009-08-29 Thread Delirium
Samuel Klein wrote: Hello Mark, On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 3:38 AM, Deliriumdelir...@hackish.org wrote: I'd personally place myself on the objecting to WMF expansion side, at least in general sentiment. With larger organizations, you can indeed do more, but also run more risks. In

Re: [Foundation-l] We're not quite at Google's level

2009-05-16 Thread Delirium
Thomas Dalton wrote: Google has an hour of slow service and it's headline news. Imagine the donations we could get if our downtime (which, as David is fond of saying, is our most profitable product) got into the headlines! Do Wikinews headlines count? =]

Re: [Foundation-l] Murdoch newspaper websites to go paywall -opportunity for citizen journalism!

2009-05-11 Thread Delirium
Sage Ross wrote: You're right about Wikinews as an all-purpose news source: the commercial sites were there first and do it better. But as a hub of citizen journalism, Wikinews does still have a chance to be the first important site. At this point, the world of citizen journalism is

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability Study Results (Sneak Preview)

2009-05-08 Thread Delirium
Brian wrote: Quite frankly the advice that you should only use five subjects makes no sense. The appeal to Nielsen's authority is not going to work on me or anyone else who understands why the scientific method exists. It's unscientific thinking and it's going cause to you waste money. You're

Re: [Foundation-l] Academic article review

2009-03-06 Thread Delirium
Pharos wrote: My experience has been that, although certainly there is room for expansion in scientific articles on specialty topics, Wikipedia already has much better coverage of science than any print encyclopedias, and most basic scientific subjects are treated fairly completely. In

Re: [Foundation-l] Request for your input: biographies of living people

2009-03-03 Thread Delirium
David Gerard wrote: 2009/3/3 Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonav...@gmail.com: Sure, the persons themselves can not be harmed, but our deep understanding of the forces of history, and what force personality, heredity, cultural context and up-bringing play within it, is immeasurably

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-25 Thread Delirium
Brian wrote: Ahh ok. Anyone who wants to do processing on the full history (and there are a lot of these people who exist!) by definition *has* to be willing to throw some money at it. It simply doesn't fit on commercial drives. I've personally never found much of a compelling reason to

Re: [Foundation-l] dumps

2009-02-24 Thread Delirium
Brian wrote: Why not make the uncompressed dump available as an Amazon Public Dataset? http://aws.amazon.com/publicdatasets/ You can already find DBPedia and FreeBase there. Its true that the uncompressed dump won't fit on a commercial drive (the largest is a 4-platter 500GB = 2TB drive).

Re: [Foundation-l] Call for participation in Epistemia, a new wiki encyclopedia

2009-02-05 Thread Delirium
Thomas Larsen wrote: Hi all, On 2/4/09, Fred Bauder fredb...@fairpoint.net wrote: Basically you've just said we're going to be just like wikipdia except we won't let incivlity, personal attacks and other bad stuff like that happen. How will you stop it? Blocking? Then you're just like

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: License update proposal

2009-01-24 Thread Delirium
Anthony wrote: My point of view is that the proposed license update is a violation of the moral rights of the contributors. If Mike is going to deny that moral rights exist in the first place, then I feel the need to explain that they do. The problem is that moral rights in your

Re: [Foundation-l] RfC: License update proposal

2009-01-23 Thread Delirium
Anthony wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Mike Godwin mgod...@wikimedia.org wrote: That said, the GFDL requires authors to be listed in the section entitled History, and it clearly states that a section Entitled XYZ means a named subunit of the Document... So is current

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikia leasing office space to WMF

2009-01-23 Thread Delirium
Erik Moeller wrote: I know that Wikia/WMF related stuff is pretty exciting, but really, we have work to do. We're not going to not make a decision that is right just because it creates fodder for trolling. (And I hope that if this turns into a troll-fest, the list moderators will take

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikia leasing office space to WMF

2009-01-23 Thread Delirium
Anders Wegge Keller wrote: Delirium delir...@hackish.org writes: There's a reason organizations that depend on public goodwill try to avoid even the appearance of impropriety in this sort of respect, and auditors usually suggest avoiding those sorts of entanglements. Could you please

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Attribution and Relicensing

2009-01-17 Thread Delirium
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: But in terms of pictures, photographs is a very very minor segment indeed. Discussing the matter solely in terms of photographs is very diversionary. I certainly didn't intend to be diversionary; rather, I'm a bit confused as to what the vast majority of

Re: [Foundation-l] Wikipedia Attribution and Relicensing

2009-01-16 Thread Delirium
Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote: Erik Moeller wrote: * For pictures, sound files, etc., there is often just a single author. This is of course very far from the truth. If you did create the media file from your very own brain-pan, yes, this would be accurate, but to say that that this

Re: [Foundation-l] Why is the software out of reach of the community?

2009-01-10 Thread Delirium
Brian wrote: I am quite sure that the answer to Wikipedia's usability issues was not properly taken into concern when ParserFunctions were written. This is based on a very simple principle that I am following in this discussion: Improvements in usability in MediaWiki will not happen through

Re: [Foundation-l] GFDL QA update and question

2009-01-09 Thread Delirium
geni wrote: 2009/1/9 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com: As a major organization with legal council, the WMF is in a much better position to understand what the license requires than most reusers. The law however doesn't care how easy licenses are for reusers to understand. The WMF cannot

Re: [Foundation-l] Don't know how linked we still are with wikia...

2009-01-03 Thread Delirium
Brock Weller wrote: I don't care if its up or down, i was just wondering if we're still connected to wikia in anyway (ie it reflect badly on us). If we're not, as it seems by your response, then I really don't care too much :) There's a bit on that here:

Re: [Foundation-l] 2008 Annual Fundraiser - Going into Phas e 2

2008-12-24 Thread Delirium
Casey Brown wrote: On Tue, Dec 23, 2008 at 8:57 PM, effe iets anders effeietsand...@gmail.com wrote: Hm, btw, where was again that list with all incoming donations? Lodewijk There are many statistics pages, see the Contributions/Fundraiser section on

Re: [Foundation-l] New project proposal: Soviet Repressions Memorial

2008-12-24 Thread Delirium
Kurt Maxwell Weber wrote: I have submitted a new project proposal, at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Soviet_Repressions_Memorial Isn't this the sort of thing we've been in the business of slowly getting out of, with the move offsite of the September 11 memorial wiki? The

Re: [Foundation-l] Britannica became free

2008-12-22 Thread Delirium
David Gerard wrote: (A tangential note: I consider NPOV to be our most important innovation - much more radical than merely letting anyone edit your encyclopedia. The concept of neutrality has existed in various guises, but not like Wikipedia does it, with the consequences it has as a source

Re: [Foundation-l] and what if...

2008-12-15 Thread Delirium
David Gerard wrote: It would be novel indeed to have a Holocaust denier who wasn't a crank as an editor, but I don't expect it to happen any time soon. You'd be surprised, then. If you're talking about Holocaust-denial *activists*, trying to edit articles to encompass that point of view,

Re: [Foundation-l] Usability: Is our vocabulary SNAFU?

2008-12-09 Thread Delirium
Ziko van Dijk wrote: About usability: I believe that one significant barrier for new Wikimedians is the jargon in the Wikimedia projects, mostly in discussions, but also in help pages: * Expressions from computer science: IP, bug, URL * Expressions from the Open Source movement: fork, stable

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Delirium
Michael Finney wrote: Thank you for your comments. As a person who manages a small wiki project and two language forks from it, I found some of the comments very disturbing... almost frightening that such exist. Your comments re-affirm my confidence in the Wikimedia Foundation and its purpose.

Re: [Foundation-l] 80% of our projects are failing

2008-12-01 Thread Delirium
Fajro wrote: On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 2:08 PM, geni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No. You can argue for the tolerance of minority languages but actively promoting them conflicts with Wikimedia's stated objectives. How? Do you edit wikipedia to give Free Access To All Human Knowledge only to the