On 30/01/2011 13:10, koteche mcintosh wrote:
People choose to donate just like before. But on a regular basis. everyone
can see the fund. Everyone is part of the story. this GALVANIZES
support. Shoes governments the POWER of public opinion. Creates a virtual
community striving for
On 21/01/2011 03:36, whothis wrote:
Thanks for introducing yourself Achal after so many years on the Advisory
Board. Dare I suggest, you add part of that introduction to your Advisory
Board page on one of the wikis. About the 5 year plan, dare I suggest you
get around to reading that one of
On 19/01/2011 06:04, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
I remember
still how in the middle of tough but slowly progressing discussion on
global admins on Meta within a day several hundred en.wp users apparently
unhappy with the fact that somebody may be rolling back their edits came,
voted no, and
I'd like to precise because of my bad english that I don't how to handle
polite questioning without looking condescending or angry. I am
uttering my words with the most profound respect to Erik even if I
dissent about some topics with him.
Erik wrote:
I don't think any of the fundraising
Are you saying that WMF has put itself in a huge dependence relationship
with money? That it could be forced to require third parties' help if
the donations are insufficient? That would be throwing itself into the
lion's den. What was worth risking so much its economical autonomy and
mission?
I
On 19/12/2010 23:07, Fred Bauder wrote:
There can be no viable
alternative to Wikipedia.
Fred
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On 09/12/2010 19:39, Huib Laurens wrote:
Am I placed on moderation? all my previous emails seem to fail?
2010/12/9 Austin
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What I thought was a simple question has generated a volley of strong
answers, even some hostility. This was not the original topic. So I will
wrap my intervention and be gone for a while.
==Representation==
As far as I know, there is no survey of
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On 20/11/2010 09:37, Craig Franklin wrote:
I don't know any of these people personally, but $128k a year for a legal
expert of Mike Godwin's stature and experience sounds like a bargain, not an
unreasonable expense. Given that WMF needs competent
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On 20/11/2010 23:26, David Gerard wrote:
On 21 November 2010 01:27, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote:
I hope that you don't feel threatened by novelty. Please don't close
your mind to my ideas just because you've never heard of them. The
Wikipedia
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On 19/11/2010 11:42, Fred Bauder wrote:
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 14:46, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 19 November 2010 13:41, Abbas Mahmoud abbas...@hotmail.com wrote:
Does Wikimedia Foundation engage in Corporate Social Responsibility?
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On 19/11/2010 18:48, Fred Bauder wrote:
I suspect it is more to avoid embarrassing him by disclosing he worked
for so little than to hide Wikimedia business.
By I suspect do you mean that you are speculating? I think we should
stick to facts, since
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On 19/11/2010 19:22, Dan Rosenthal wrote:
Noein, personally, I would think that a duty of transparency about money
and publicizing information about a private employee's salary, benefits, or
severance packages are two wildly different things
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On 19/11/2010 21:31, Risker wrote:
The last one is for the fiscal year ending June 2009, and was filed on 29
April 2010. Link:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/5/54/WMF_2008_2009_Form_990.pdf
The section on salaries begins on
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Did they add a button Read Now on the donation campaign banner or did
I miss it earlier?
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Did they add a button Read Now on the donation campaign banner or did
I miss it earlier?
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I'm very naive on this subject, but from what I understood there are two
ethnic groups (independent or not, it doesn't change this cultural
fact). And one of this group has two official languages.
So, regardless of the political agendas, why don't we
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On 13/11/2010 16:59, Ting Chen wrote:
I searched a little on meta and the oldest thing I found related to this
is from the Foundation Report of January 2008 [1]. So I cannot tell you
how the contract came into being. As you know, the Foundation
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On 13/11/2010 17:25, Robert S. Horning wrote:
Much of what I was trying to get started was covered on this very
mailing list. If you go into the archives and look up Wikijunior to see
some of the efforts that were made, including some initial
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On 13/11/2010 18:10, Michael Snow wrote:
Let me ask this question. Suppose the Wikimedia Foundation were to buy
PediaPress from Brainbot, including whatever intellectual property is
associated with its service such as the LaTeX export. If
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On 13/11/2010 19:14, phoebe ayers wrote:
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 12:51 PM, SlimVirgin slimvir...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Nov 13, 2010 at 13:59, Ting Chen wing.phil...@gmx.de wrote:
I know that also this example is not without flaw, as comparisons
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I'm forwarding this message from Cyrano.
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On 12/11/2010 02:06, Erik Moeller wrote:
A bit of general background:
The Collection/Book creator feature allows managing, organizing and
exporting content in PDF and in
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On 12/11/2010 07:40, Magnus Manske wrote:
On Fri, Nov 12, 2010 at 8:56 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 12 November 2010 07:56, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
We should offer to host citizendium on our servers at no cost for a
period
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I've read Wikimedia's PediaPress press release[1] a few times now and I
still can't figure out if PediaPress is a non-profit organization or a
for-profit company. I think there's a large distinction between the
Wikimedia Foundation taking a
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On 08/11/2010 17:37, Gerard Meijssen wrote:
I care more about realising our ambitions, I
care about getting our message out.
Personally, I care also about the means. I wouldn't like cupidity as the
core of wikipedia. Money, thus, should not
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There are strong economic interests to cheat about medical research, so
we should be extremely fair, transparent and informative about those
articles.
Mentioning the funding source of any research is the building base of
critical trust.[1]
[1]:
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On 05/11/2010 19:44, Fred Bauder wrote:
How many billions in potential advertising revenue do we leave on the
table each year?
Please don't take this as any personal attack, but did we reach such a
philosophical and wise government in the
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On 08/11/2010 18:45, Jussi-Ville Heiskanen wrote:
An interesting idea would be a standalone static copy of
wikipedia that really tried their utmost to make the product
visually appealing, and used the generated money from the
advertisements purely
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On 09/11/2010 01:33, Fred Bauder wrote:
Everything that is done incorrectly because of funding is also done by
those who have an intellectual or emotional stake in the outcome
Yes, and that's where we fall down. Many of us are editors with
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I was sent this. I don't know what to do of it.
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Due to a large amount of spam, emails from non-members of this list
are now automatically rejected. If you have a valuable contribution to
the list but would rather not subscribe to
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I think it is not fair to censor Peter and then still talk about him and
what he said. One or the other can be justified (and should be), but not
both at the same time.
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On 05/10/2010 19:48, wiki-l...@phizz.demon.co.uk wrote:
What is the main point of wikipedia to edit it, or to read it?
Could it be both or do we get to choose only one?
NOTE: when reading an article or a book one rarely looks at the
references.
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I still have 80 mails to read to be up-to-date about the current
polemic, but I would like to ask a question to you Peter.
You said that experts can bring knowledge to readers, but that some
editors are aggressive idiots with whom there is no
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Thank you, your answers reveal quite clearly your vision. (I disagree,
though, but that's not important).
A few comments below...
On 04/10/2010 15:58, Peter Damian wrote:
How is the problem of making a difficult subject clear different in the case
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On 04/10/2010 17:54, Peter Damian wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Noein prono...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:06 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Has
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On 19/09/2010 19:47, Peter Damian wrote:
To the other
Wikipedians here: is there a problem with academics 'talking down'? Do they
have a problem explaining their ideas in articles? Are they 'too rarified'
to be included in Wikipedia? If so,
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I couldn't have said it as well. I agree with the concerns of Jamie and
their importance.
On 13/09/2010 22:14, emijrp wrote:
Hi all;
I think that Jamie has started an important topic. I don't think that WMF is
going to usurp Wikipedia and the
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If I understand correctly the situation, the USA community currently
interact with Wikipedia through the Foundation or the en. chapter, which
are not necessarily representative of their interests. The point of view
that a chapter should represent the
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On 21/07/2010 01:57, Florence Devouard wrote:
This decision was approved on the 24th of may and was advertised in
various (french speaking) venues. The scholarship only proposed two
different types of packages: 250 euros or 500 euros.
There was
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Just my 2c thoughts exploring the idea.
I don't know if wikipedia should have a chapter specific to children
because it would be culturally biased by our views about education.
I think it would be better to aim for a specific psychological profile
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Oh, this function is very interesting. If it were coupled with a
function to get synonyms and metonyms (ie, equidae, mount) as a proposal
to enlarge or explore a concept, then a semantic map would be created to
navigate Commons in all languages.
Maybe
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On 20/06/2010 23:23, Keegan Peterzell wrote:
If you're never read it, you'd probably enjoy this article from the Journal
of American History penned by the late, great Dr. Roy Rosenzweig from June
2006:
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Oh Kubla Khan! Jorge Luis Borges was fond of the palace's story and the
poem. Thank you for your hard work.
On 22/06/2010 02:05, Jeffrey Peters wrote:
Dear List,
My name is Jeffrey Peters, a professional researcher who is currently
working on my
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On 20/06/2010 03:25, Pavlo Shevelo wrote:
But now it's standard for any site to have well-structured facepages
(profiles) to provide for academic the mean to:
* properly introduce himself/herself;
* get the idea about who is some other
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Some ideas to increase the social aspect of Wikipedia:
- - insert a small chat with channels for each chapter (for example where
the interwiki links were ;) )
- - make a tab for personal comments for articles, where people can
express their feelings
-
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On 19/06/2010 19:53, Keegan Peterzell wrote:
My jaw just dropped. While I know these are ideas intended to help increase
the socialization, this is turning Wikipedia into youtube. The day that
happens I'm resigning all my permissions and packing
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Wikipedia should be kept a neutral repository of knowledge, not a social
ground for games. Once you take the path of creating a futile community,
there is no way to talk about the long term goals of the WMF, the
vision, the ethics, the humanity, the
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On 09/06/2010 03:28, Aryeh Gregor wrote:
I recall reading that IBM improved its
participation in the Linux kernel community by getting rid of all
internal communications among its kernel developers, meaning they had
to use the public project
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Thank you for your opinions. I'd like to clarify my criticism. What Mike
has done and is doing is honorable; he's dedicating efforts and patience
to the community. He has nothing to do with my questioning.
What I see is that WMF doesn't always
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I've been watching the dialogues between the WMF and this mailing list
for a while now and most of the conflicts are the same: bad
communication. This is apparently not due to individuals but institutional.
I'm still ignorant of many aspects of the
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The premises:
1. I just had a short chat with [[Erik Orsenna]], a member of the
[[Académie française]] who loves to learn and pass along knowledge.
He's also interested in the adventure of knowledge and in the democratic
processes and appreciate being
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On 28/05/2010 22:42, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote:
3. High level physicists also stay away from it. (for example most of
the theoretical information about [[quasars]] comes from the 1960's.
Current information on the net is frequently only available
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Some thoughts, not aiming at anybody in particular.
The pressure from Fox News, the childish founders' jealousies, the void
FBI threats, the patriarch complex of Mr. Wales, if they're real,
should be of no inflated importance. Our personal tastes
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Thank you for this deep analysis. While claiming that we should not
compromise any of the principles, you didn't address directly the
possibility that we won't reach everybody if we don't compromise.
Reaching every human is a (currently and
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On 13/05/2010 13:01, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
I don't know that reaching everybody was ever a stated goal. Being
theoretically available to everybody is a different matter...
Ah, that's the part that is not clear to me. If you talk about the
intrinsic
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Hello Kat, I'm not used to the level of finesse of your thoughts and
this time I chose to think aloud to help me. The result is this long
mail that other may find useful. Maybe. Please let me know if they're
not, or if I misunderstood you. As for the
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On 11/05/2010 12:44, Gregory Maxwell wrote:
I would propose that the reason we are subject to such a _small_
amount of complaint about our content is that much of the world
understands that what Wikipedia does is —in a sense— deeply subversive
and
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I put my impressions of the moment on this discussion page:
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Censorship#Some_reflexions_following_the_censorship_polemic_of_May_2010
On 09/05/2010 20:04, Sue Gardner wrote:
Yeah, Pryzkuta, I know there are lots
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On 09/05/2010 22:10, Ryan Lomonaco wrote:
On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Aphaia aph...@gmail.com wrote:
Is there any option to tell them commons has its own mailing list
instead of adding it to the foundation-l?
I think Austin touched upon
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On 10/05/2010 05:51, Andre Engels wrote:
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 2:23 AM, Kim Bruning k...@bruning.xs4all.nl wrote:
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:23:28AM +0200, Andre Engels wrote:
Being educational should be just another word for being in scope, and
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On 10/05/2010 07:56, Elias Gabriel Amaral da Silva wrote:
2010/5/10 Marcus Buck m...@marcusbuck.org:
J Alexandr Ledbury-Romanov hett schreven:
I have a problem with basing it on IP addresses. As a non Muslim in a Muslim
country, why should
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Is anyone here really concerned by Fox News actions? From the beginning
it seemed to me that what they were barking about were of no impact:
they would confirm the WMF's opponents in their opinions and obtain an
indifferent or amused shrug from the
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On 09/05/2010 02:12, Pedro Sanchez wrote:
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 11:36 PM, Noein prono...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm surprised it is apparently needed to be said, but I'm here too
because I have faith in universal values. In fact I've been attracted
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On 09/05/2010 05:46, Jimmy Wales wrote:
On 5/8/10 10:02 PM, Victor Vasiliev wrote:
The deletions themselves aren't the problem; the manner in which they
were carried out is. As a lawyer you should understand that the due
process is important.
I
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Imagine a world where every single media and government on the planet
is given free censorship on the sum of all human knowledge. That's what
we're king of.
I agree with Mike Godwin that this crisis is an constructive
opportunity, not just a
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On 08/05/2010 20:52, Stuart West wrote:
(1) There were some bad actors at work (e.g. hardcore pornography
distributors taking advantage of our open culture to get free anonymous
hosting). (2) As a community (including the Board), we debated the
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On 08/05/2010 22:20, Casey Brown wrote:
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 9:16 PM, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote:
The *ONLY* rating and classification system that I can support is a
descriptive one. That is, it describes the nature of the
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On 09/05/2010 00:05, Milos Rancic wrote:
There are some political reasons of why I am here. And they are about
our values: all human knowledge... not censored... consensus
culture... building encyclopedia etc., not surrealistic comedy...
[..]
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Thank you for this analysis, Milos. I think you should definitely take
the time to explain yourself more often since 1/ your bold statements
are not unanimously intuitive 2/ we need to share visions, skills and
knowledge to understand what we're
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This, my friends, beyond the porn debate, is an important lesson about
the vulnerability of wikipedia.
You just have to threaten or convince Mr. Wales to control or shutdown
the entire project. The whole community is powerless.
When this crisis is
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A technical and sincerely genuine question about this list. Is somebody,
some bot or some site synthesizing our emailed discussion, or is
everything vanishing as soon as it is spoken?
In this last case, shouldn't we keep an organized trace of the
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Please stop any sarcasm. There are ideas worth the consideration, as
with any newly available technological tool.
We're aiming in this mailing list to shape the futur of the human
knowledge through the foundation, right? So it is right to talk about
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Respect.
If you can't, use private mail.
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Hello,
I've been reading the survey.
http://wikipediasurvey.org/docs/Wikipedia_NonContributors_15March2010-FINAL.pdf
Suggestions:
a) In my opinion, one of the things that make the learning curb steep to
start editing is the fact that most of the
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