Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread effe iets anders
What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over time, and no flashy buttons. -- eia 2009/7/21 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org 2009/7/20 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Rotating them would seem like a more viable solution than randomised - We don't want the

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 11:28 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 2:15 AM, effe iets anderseffeietsand...@gmail.com wrote: What about changing it every hour? Then you have sufficient randomness over time, and no flashy buttons. You still have the problem that

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread Birgitte SB
Donate Now Every donation helps us to keep free for everyone. Donate Now Keep Wikipedia free for everyone. Is no one else concerned by the use of the word free in the message options being tested. I wouldn't want these ambigous messages like these on the site no matter if they beat out the no

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread Marc Riddell
on 7/21/09 10:33 AM, Birgitte SB at birgitte...@yahoo.com wrote: Donate Now Every donation helps us to keep free for everyone. Donate Now Keep Wikipedia free for everyone. Is no one else concerned by the use of the word free in the message options being tested. I wouldn't want these

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-21 Thread David Goodman
I agree with this, and said so at the original discussion--where I think the consensus was not to use that phrase. David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Marc Riddellmichaeldavi...@comcast.net wrote: on 7/21/09 10:33 AM,

[Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Rand Montoya
Wikimedians-- As many of you know, last month we began work on exploring the visibility of the donate button on all Wikimedia projects. After a long comment period, we received many comments and many new ideas. Some of these ideas we have incorporated into a new set of test buttons. Thank you

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rand Montoyarmont...@wikimedia.org wrote: Wikimedians-- As many of you know, last month we began work on exploring the visibility of the donate button on all Wikimedia projects. After a long comment period, we received many comments and many new ideas. Some of

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Brian
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 6:04 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 4:50 PM, Rand Montoyarmont...@wikimedia.org wrote: Wikimedians-- As many of you know, last month we began work on exploring the visibility of the donate button on all Wikimedia projects. After

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Andrew Gray
2009/7/21 Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com: Testing should be done in parallel, not in sequence.  History has demonstrated that donors have a tendency to respond disproportionately to the new thing.  Which means that whatever button you test first will have an advantage over whichever one you

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Erik Moeller
2009/7/20 Liam Wyatt liamwy...@gmail.com: Rotating them would seem like a more viable solution than randomised - We don't want the situation where every new page in WP someone reads there is a new/different coloured donation button where last week there was none at all - to go from nothing to

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: Indeed, that's the reasoning behind the proposed approach. We don't want it to typically be changing constantly for an individual user. Yes, a sequential run does introduce various problematic biases. An IP-address based

Re: [Foundation-l] Donation Button Enhancement : Part 2

2009-07-20 Thread Liam Wyatt
On Tue, Jul 21, 2009 at 12:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote: Indeed, that's the reasoning behind the proposed approach. We don't want it to typically be changing constantly for an individual user. Yes, a