Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-04-01 Thread Ray Saintonge
Anthony wrote: MZMcBride wrote: You're suggesting using a specific, proprietary client (that has all sorts of privacy issues) in order to combat what is, at its core, laziness. Every great software application has, at its core, laziness. Indeed! Or perhaps that might be better

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-31 Thread teun spaans
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 12:41 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hello -- Some of the people posting to this mailing list don't seem to understand how to write a decent, readable reply to a mailing list thread. Yes, but the opinion on what makes a readable reply may differ from person

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-31 Thread Anthony
Was that supposed to be an example of a terrible use of inline posting? If so, ha, great job, I couldn't even figure out what was written by you and what was written by Mr. McBride. BTW, this is supposed to be an example of a good use of top posting. But in the end, you're just not going to

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-31 Thread Stephen Bain
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: This post below, I've pretty much ignored because it wasn't worth trying to sort through who said what. Yet instead of deleting it, you included the whole thing. -- Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-31 Thread Svip
On 31 March 2010 14:43, Stephen Bain stephen.b...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 11:37 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote: This post below, I've pretty much ignored because it wasn't worth trying to sort through who said what. Yet instead of deleting it, you included the whole

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-31 Thread Kwan Ting Chan
MZMcBride wrote: This makes for far more noise than signal, as people wade through six copies of the foundation-l footer or eight old and irrelevant replies trying to find the content of the reply to the previous message. I've pretty much be ignoring this thread, and mark everything as read

[Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread MZMcBride
Hello -- Some of the people posting to this mailing list don't seem to understand how to write a decent, readable reply to a mailing list thread. This makes for far more noise than signal, as people wade through six copies of the foundation-l footer or eight old and irrelevant replies trying to

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The easiest way to deal with such issues is use a decent mail client. I use Gmail and it ensures that all the threads are together and in order. It hides all the copies of old replies and given the copious amount of storage it is no problem that all the crap is still there. When you argue

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread John Doe
I agree top posting tends to be the most effective method for handling mailing lists On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, The easiest way to deal with such issues is use a decent mail client. I use Gmail and it ensures that all the threads are

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Andrew Garrett
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The easiest way to deal with such issues is use a decent mail client. I use Gmail and it ensures that all the threads are together and in order. It hides all the copies of old replies and given the copious

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The easiest way to deal with such issues is use a decent mail client. I use Gmail and it ensures that all the threads are together and in order. It hides all the copies of old replies and given the copious

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Svip
On 31 March 2010 01:12, Andrew Garrett agarr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 9:51 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The easiest way to deal with such issues is use a decent mail client. I use Gmail and it ensures that all the threads are together and in

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread MZMcBride
Gerard Meijssen wrote: The easiest way to deal with such issues is use a decent mail client. No. Writing an inline reply and cutting out the cruft is supported by every client, everywhere, always. You're suggesting using a specific, proprietary client (that has all sorts of privacy issues) in

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 31 March 2010 00:15, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Of course I can read my email via gmail.com, which hides the crap, however that is not ideal when I want to read my email and compose responses while I am offline. Get Gmail Offline, then! (You turn it on somewhere in

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Mike.lifeguard
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 37-01--10 03:59 PM, John Doe wrote: I agree top posting tends to be the most effective method for handling mailing lists On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:51 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: The easiest way to deal with such

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 March 2010 00:15, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Of course I can read my email via gmail.com, which hides the crap, however that is not ideal when I want to read my email and compose responses while I

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Neil Harris
On 31/03/10 00:23, Thomas Dalton wrote: On 31 March 2010 00:15, John Vandenbergjay...@gmail.com wrote: Of course I can read my email via gmail.com, which hides the crap, however that is not ideal when I want to read my email and compose responses while I am offline. Get Gmail

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread WJhonson
Top posting is not what *creates* the crap. Copying the entire email is a standard setting in some clients (toggleable) and an optional setting in others (toggleable) and probably there are some which don't let you select to do that, or undo it either! Personally I don't want to scroll down

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Svip
On 31 March 2010 01:45, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Personally I don't want to scroll down through a 200 word email just to see me too at the very bottom. The opposite of 'top-posting' is 'bottom-posting', which is actually equally bad in my mind, as it creates that exact problem. There are two

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Dan Rosenthal
Assuming that other people care about ones own form of mailing choice is crap also, as far as this list is concerned. Let people do as they choose. Nobody forces you to read their posts. On Mar 30, 2010 7:45 PM, wjhon...@aol.com wrote: Top posting is not what *creates* the crap. Copying the

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Svip
On 31 March 2010 01:53, Dan Rosenthal drosent...@wikimedia.org wrote: Assuming that other people care about ones own form of mailing choice is crap also, as far as this list is concerned. Let people do as they choose. Nobody forces you to read their posts. Hm, I am starting to get swayed by

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Dan Rosenthal drosent...@wikimedia.org wrote: .. Nobody forces you to read their posts. Hmm. I remember that argument being used to assert that there was no problem with foundation-l. [[meta:Improving Foundation-l]] -- John

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Chad
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hello -- Some of the people posting to this mailing list don't seem to understand how to write a decent, readable reply to a mailing list thread... What possible good did you see coming from this thread? You /knew/ it would

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Austin Hair
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 5:16 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, posting on a mailinglist is all about respect for the other clients.  And boosting your own client as superior and thus not needing to bother with etiquette seems a bit... ignorant or arrogant. I can understand people not

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Tim Starling
Chad wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hello -- Some of the people posting to this mailing list don't seem to understand how to write a decent, readable reply to a mailing list thread... What possible good did you see coming from this thread? You

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread MZMcBride
Chad wrote: On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 6:41 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Hello -- Some of the people posting to this mailing list don't seem to understand how to write a decent, readable reply to a mailing list thread... What possible good did you see coming from this thread?

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:16 PM, Svip svi...@gmail.com wrote: A: Because it ruins the way people read. Q: Why is topposting bad? Is bottom posting any better? Is bottom posting any better? No, not really. Is bottom posting any better? No, not really. Why not? Is bottom posting any

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 7:16 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: You're suggesting using a specific, proprietary client (that has all sorts of privacy issues) in order to combat what is, at its core, laziness. Every great software application has, at its core, laziness.

Re: [Foundation-l] How to reply to a mailing list thread

2010-03-30 Thread Everton Zanella Alvarenga
Hi, I prefer to write emails following rules similar to what MZMcBride pointed at the beginning of this topic, mainly because it is how I like to read other people emails - tho unfortunately a few people do so. I use gmail, because I like its features and I don't care about privacy issues, but I