Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
Teofilo wrote: The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (1). Recently a totally stupid pink heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being used as a social network or a game. [...] (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace _provider.2C_social_network.2C_or_memorial_site I think the term you're looking for is wikiafication. Maybe Wikiafication? I suppose it's not quite genericized yet, so capitalizing it probably makes sense. I've had a draft e-mail sitting around for months now that I've been meaning to send on the subject. MoodBar, WikiLove, etc. are all forms of Wikiafication. This is dangerous, as Wikia largely sucks, so any attempted emulation of it is a risky proposition. That isn't to say that Wikia gets nothing right, but for the most part, it's a pretty bad user experience at a social and technical level. There is also the tangential issue that mingling Wikia development/engineering projects with Wikimedia development/engineering projects further erodes the already tenuous divide between the two organizations. There's been talk (more than talk, really) of Wikimedia working with Wikia on projects such as the parser rewrite, as it serves both organizations' interests. That's true, to be sure, but the costs of further close collaboration may outweigh any benefit. MZMcBride ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
On 31 October 2011 07:40, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Teofilo wrote: The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (1). Recently a totally stupid pink heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being used as a social network or a game. [...] (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace _provider.2C_social_network.2C_or_memorial_site I think the term you're looking for is wikiafication. Maybe Wikiafication? I suppose it's not quite genericized yet, so capitalizing it probably makes sense. I've had a draft e-mail sitting around for months now that I've been meaning to send on the subject. MoodBar, WikiLove, etc. are all forms of Wikiafication. This is dangerous, as Wikia largely sucks, so any attempted emulation of it is a risky proposition. That isn't to say that Wikia gets nothing right, but for the most part, it's a pretty bad user experience at a social and technical level. There is also the tangential issue that mingling Wikia development/engineering projects with Wikimedia development/engineering projects further erodes the already tenuous divide between the two organizations. There's been talk (more than talk, really) of Wikimedia working with Wikia on projects such as the parser rewrite, as it serves both organizations' interests. That's true, to be sure, but the costs of further close collaboration may outweigh any benefit. MZMcBride I'm not going to disagree with the complaints about MoodBar, WikiLove etc. for being a diversion from our core purpose, but equally there are very good reasons for these things that have been mentioned too. The primary nub of contention being that they are of greatest benefit to new users (who are not really able to defend themselves on foundation-l) whilst being largely irrelevant additions to experienced users. Because the WMF is (rightly, IMO) focused on reversing the decline in editor numbers, much of their developments will suffer from this tension. There are valid arguments on both sides but I believe that's where the tension derives from. Also as I'm not familiar with Wikia-wikis I won't comment on the quality/usefullness of their software. I'm not trying to write this email to point out problems, but to point to positive things instead... I would like to point to a new kind of WMF development work that's underway as a particularly useful, interesting and positive development. The New Page Triage concept and associated zoom interface which is designed to improve Recent Changes Patrol: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/New_Page_Triage Now, I'm not a regular new page patroller so the feature will not affect me directly, and there are certainly lots of features/design issues/workflows/interfaces that will be wrong and will need dramatic changes before going from the concept stage to the in-production use stage. Why I'm particularly excited with this page is that it represents a WMF development project that addresses the issue of new user retention (by improving the quality of their first interaction with the community) by assisting the EXISTING users to do their work better. By looking at this kind of thing the WMF software team is loudly saying we're all in this together which needs to be applauded. The existing community, especially the hard-core who do a disproportionately large amount of the work, need to feel like they're not part of the problem but part of the solution in reversing the editor-numbers decline - and features like New Page Triage (and/or others like it) are a brilliant way of doing this, IMHO. -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love metadata ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
One problem is that the word Love is used quite differently in the German language. Even in Great Britain. Love as a term is used in English in a fully inflated notion of flooding. I have no idea what lovers say to each other in the U.S. when it comes to really love. Maybe they just grunt at each other only. Please teach me U.S.-american social behavior. The expression Wikilove will trigger only incomprehension and headshaking. h. Am 29.10.2011 00:16, schrieb Erik Moeller: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an encyclopaedia ? In addition to English Wikipedia, WikiLove has been enabled on Arabic Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Hungarian Wikipedia, Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Norwegian Wikipedia, Portuguese Wikipedia, Swedish Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Chinese Wikipedia, MediaWiki.org and Commons. So, WikiLove is spreading. Maybe one day it will even come to German Wikipedia. I'm guessing 2020. ;-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Hubert hubert.la...@gmx.at wrote: One problem is that the word Love is used quite differently in the German language. Even in Great Britain. Love as a term is used in English in a fully inflated notion of flooding. I have no idea what lovers say to each other in the U.S. when it comes to really love. Maybe they just grunt at each other only. Please teach me U.S.-american social behavior. The expression Wikilove will trigger only incomprehension and headshaking. h. Perhaps we should start with manners, specifically how to post to a public list without being childishly insulting? ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
Hubert, 30/10/2011 15:24: One problem is that the word Love is used quite differently in the German language. Even in Great Britain. This again means that translators have to be bold. It's true that translation can be difficult, in fact most interwikis of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiLove loan the English word or are calques; the word has broader exposure with the extension so should be translated carefully. Nemo P.s.: 31st post for me this month. :-/ ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
Erik Moeller, 29/10/2011 00:16: In addition to English Wikipedia, WikiLove has been enabled [...] MediaWiki.org and Commons. Perhaps we can even change the definition on https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WikiLove , currently «extension designed to promote the spread of WikiLove within Wikipedia». Liam Wyatt, 29/10/2011 04:38: Seriously though... in Wikilove can't the logo (the heart) and all of the individual awards (barnstars, food, animals) be changed on a per-wiki basis? I don't know the icon (I think not), but the rest is obviously configurable. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/WikiLove#How_to_customize So if there's an icon that's more culturally appropriate in a different language then it can be changed to that instead. If I recall correctly, the Burmese Wikipedia uses lotuses (rather than barnstars) and the French Wikipedia uses laurel wreaths. In those cases, for example, not only can those awards be used instead of barnstars but a little icon of a lotus or a laurel wreath could easily be used instead of a pink heart icon. The point being that leaving friendly messages with cute invented awards on talkpages is not an en.wp or American specific activity - most (all?) of the different language wikis have something equivalent. All the WikiLove tool does is make it easier to do and if the local community wants to use it but wants to change the way the tool looks/feels then I don't think there's any problem with that. Basically yes, although I didn't check whether local implementations actually localised the extension; sometimes we have blind implementations of en.wiki concepts (which are often the default even in MediaWiki) because localisers are not bold/industrious enough. I don't think the extension's aim is to export kittens, beer (!) and other unknown amenities to all communities. ;-) Nemo ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
2011/10/29 Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org: I don't think that's accurate. WikiLove only has a single bug filed against it, and it's just a feature request: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamednamedcmd=WikiLovelist_id=42901 Well, since you complained, here's another one: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32033 (Is it really not a dupe?) -- Amir Elisha Aharoni · אָמִיר אֱלִישָׁע אַהֲרוֹנִי http://aharoni.wordpress.com “We're living in pieces, I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
[Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (1). Recently a totally stupid pink heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being used as a social network or a game. For example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alleahruiz . This sort of software enhances shallow relationships between people. That might be fine for American people or americanized people but everybody in the world is not American or Americanized or belonging to a culture close to that one. I believe that in this world some people value something else than shallow relationships based on US-centered cultural codes such as a pink heart, for example trusting relationships based on working together in the long term, using true words really felt rather than just picking an icon on a game interface. Do you know that the pink heart tool was imposed on Wikimedia COmmons by the English speaking community without consulting other language communities ? Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an encyclopaedia ? Where is the usability when adding new features at a confusing hurried rythm ? (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace_provider.2C_social_network.2C_or_memorial_site ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an encyclopaedia ? In addition to English Wikipedia, WikiLove has been enabled on Arabic Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Hungarian Wikipedia, Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Norwegian Wikipedia, Portuguese Wikipedia, Swedish Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Chinese Wikipedia, MediaWiki.org and Commons. So, WikiLove is spreading. Maybe one day it will even come to German Wikipedia. I'm guessing 2020. ;-) -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
I just built WikiLove to make giving barnstars easier. The WFM didn't invent giving barnstars, that tradition was created by the community. Since it's been going on for quite a few years, I think your complaint is a bit late. Ryan Kaldari On 10/28/11 3:00 PM, Teofilo wrote: The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (1). Recently a totally stupid pink heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being used as a social network or a game. For example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alleahruiz . This sort of software enhances shallow relationships between people. That might be fine for American people or americanized people but everybody in the world is not American or Americanized or belonging to a culture close to that one. I believe that in this world some people value something else than shallow relationships based on US-centered cultural codes such as a pink heart, for example trusting relationships based on working together in the long term, using true words really felt rather than just picking an icon on a game interface. Do you know that the pink heart tool was imposed on Wikimedia COmmons by the English speaking community without consulting other language communities ? Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an encyclopaedia ? Where is the usability when adding new features at a confusing hurried rythm ? (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace_provider.2C_social_network.2C_or_memorial_site ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
No good, the Grinch already stole Christmas. A juggernaut of foolishness and play is bearing down on you... Fred The WMF has been recently backing softwares that are a breach of Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not (1). Recently a totally stupid pink heart was added to user talk pages, making people believe it is Valentine Day everyday, with the result that Wikipedia is now being used as a social network or a game. For example see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Alleahruiz . This sort of software enhances shallow relationships between people. That might be fine for American people or americanized people but everybody in the world is not American or Americanized or belonging to a culture close to that one. I believe that in this world some people value something else than shallow relationships based on US-centered cultural codes such as a pink heart, for example trusting relationships based on working together in the long term, using true words really felt rather than just picking an icon on a game interface. Do you know that the pink heart tool was imposed on Wikimedia COmmons by the English speaking community without consulting other language communities ? Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an encyclopaedia ? Where is the usability when adding new features at a confusing hurried rythm ? (1) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_blog.2C_webspace_provider.2C_social_network.2C_or_memorial_site ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems. On 11-10-28 7:16 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Teofilo teofilow...@gmail.com wrote: Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an encyclopaedia ? In addition to English Wikipedia, WikiLove has been enabled on Arabic Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Hungarian Wikipedia, Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Norwegian Wikipedia, Portuguese Wikipedia, Swedish Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Chinese Wikipedia, MediaWiki.org and Commons. So, WikiLove is spreading. Maybe one day it will even come to German Wikipedia. I'm guessing 2020. ;-) ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote: It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems. Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet. WikiLove was not rolled out en mass; the policy for deployment of the tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must: a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki); b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and c) Show community consensus. So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this. Is there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this is the case, I can do a search. Thanks! -b. -- Brandon Harris, Senior Designer, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
I don't think that's accurate. WikiLove only has a single bug filed
against it, and it's just a feature request:
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/buglist.cgi?cmdtype=runnamednamedcmd=WikiLovelist_id=42901
If you know of any technical problems, please let me know.
And for those of you who hate pink hearts, just add the following to
your vector.css:
#ca-wikilove.icon a{
background-image:
url(/w/extensions/WikiLove/modules/ext.wikiLove/images/heart-icons-black.png);
}
(or turn WikiLove off in your user prefs).
Cheers,
Ryan Kaldari
On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote:
It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems.
On 11-10-28 7:16 PM, Erik Moellere...@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:00 PM, Teofiloteofilow...@gmail.com wrote:
Now we are seeing the appearance of a feedback tool on the English
Wikipedia ? How long are the non-English Wikipedias going to be free
from this new stupid tool which has nothing to do with writing an
encyclopaedia ?
In addition to English Wikipedia, WikiLove has been enabled on Arabic
Wikipedia, Hebrew Wikipedia, Hindi Wikipedia, Hungarian Wikipedia,
Macedonian Wikipedia, Malayalam Wikipedia, Norwegian Wikipedia,
Portuguese Wikipedia, Swedish Wikipedia, Oriya Wikipedia, Chinese
Wikipedia, MediaWiki.org and Commons.
So, WikiLove is spreading. Maybe one day it will even come to German
Wikipedia. I'm guessing 2020. ;-)
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Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
On incubator only, and probably the WikimediaIncubator extension. All was set up. On 11-10-28 7:31 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote: It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems. Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet. WikiLove was not rolled out en mass; the policy for deployment of the tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must: a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki); b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and c) Show community consensus. So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this. Is there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this is the case, I can do a search. Thanks! -b. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
I find pink hearts depressing. Red hearts are okay, though. Mankind. It's a troubling topic. Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: “Mankind”. Basically, it’s made up of two separate words – “mank” and “ind”. What do these words mean? It’s a mystery, and that’s why so is mankind. (I haven't been able to figure out the hearts thing yet, but I'm working on it.) Hey! Rather than a heart, can I get a four-leaf clover? On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Etienne Beaule betie...@bellaliant.netwrote: On incubator only, and probably the WikimediaIncubator extension. All was set up. On 11-10-28 7:31 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote: It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems. Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet. WikiLove was not rolled out en mass; the policy for deployment of the tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must: a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki); b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and c) Show community consensus. So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this. Is there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this is the case, I can do a search. Thanks! -b. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Best regards, Cindy Ashley-Nelson Yes. *That *Cindy Ashley-Nelson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cindamuse ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
Re: [Foundation-l] On certain shallow, American-centered, foolish software initiatives backed by WMF
I think you deserve a barnstar (made via Wiki-love of course!) for that :-) I've never really liked Mank, but I do like a spread of some Ind with my tea in the morning. Seriously though... in Wikilove can't the logo (the heart) and all of the individual awards (barnstars, food, animals) be changed on a per-wiki basis? So if there's an icon that's more culturally appropriate in a different language then it can be changed to that instead. If I recall correctly, the Burmese Wikipedia uses lotuses (rather than barnstars) and the French Wikipedia uses laurel wreaths. In those cases, for example, not only can those awards be used instead of barnstars but a little icon of a lotus or a laurel wreath could easily be used instead of a pink heart icon. The point being that leaving friendly messages with cute invented awards on talkpages is not an en.wp or American specific activity - most (all?) of the different language wikis have something equivalent. All the WikiLove tool does is make it easier to do and if the local community wants to use it but wants to change the way the tool looks/feels then I don't think there's any problem with that. -Liam On 29 October 2011 02:15, Cynthia Ashley-Nelson cindam...@gmail.com wrote: I find pink hearts depressing. Red hearts are okay, though. Mankind. It's a troubling topic. Maybe in order to understand mankind, we have to look at the word itself: “Mankind”. Basically, it’s made up of two separate words – “mank” and “ind”. What do these words mean? It’s a mystery, and that’s why so is mankind. (I haven't been able to figure out the hearts thing yet, but I'm working on it.) Hey! Rather than a heart, can I get a four-leaf clover? On Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 3:35 PM, Etienne Beaule betie...@bellaliant.net wrote: On incubator only, and probably the WikimediaIncubator extension. All was set up. On 11-10-28 7:31 PM, Brandon Harris bhar...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 10/28/11 3:27 PM, Etienne Beaule wrote: It's disabled on certain wikis because of technical problems. Oh? I wasn't aware that it had been disabled anywhere as yet. WikiLove was not rolled out en mass; the policy for deployment of the tool is that it is by request only, and the requesting wiki must: a) Make sure the tool is localized (via TranslateWiki); b) Make sure they have a local configuration; and c) Show community consensus. So if it was enabled and then *disabled*, I have not heard of this. Is there a bug report I can look to? Or if you know of a wiki where this is the case, I can do a search. Thanks! -b. ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l -- Best regards, Cindy Ashley-Nelson Yes. *That *Cindy Ashley-Nelson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cindamuse ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l ___ foundation-l mailing list foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/foundation-l
