In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:31:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
effeietsand...@gmail.com writes:
Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
people learn that they might frustrate the very
2009/11/2 wjhon...@aol.com:
In a message dated 11/2/2009 8:31:15 AM Pacific Standard Time,
effeietsand...@gmail.com writes:
Why can't people learn when a discussion is irritating other people, why
can't people learn which discussions are most useful to have, why can't
people learn that
In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:59:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Why can't people use email clients that don't break threads? ;)
AOL = Satan
They are out to destroy all life and light.
Will
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On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 12:27 AM, Dan Collins dcoll...@stevens.edu wrote:
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 6:50 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Nov 1, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
Yes, you can delete the archives on the WMF site. That does make much
On Mon, Nov 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I fail to see how this is contrary to the mission of the Wikimedia
Foundation to empower and engage people around the world to collect
and develop educational content under a free license or in the public
domain, and to
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:59:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Why can't people use email clients that don't break threads? ;)
AOL = Satan
They are out to destroy all life and light.
Last time I checked, you could use any
Personally, I process about two or three hundred emails per day (yes per day),
so the small amount of noise the Foundation list creates is negligible to me.
If someone is so annoyed by a thread, that they can't even bother to DWR
(delete without reading) based merely on the subject title, I
: Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org
To: foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 2:13 pm
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?
wjhon...@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 11/2/2009 10:59:23 AM Pacific Standard Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
Why can't
Hoi,
It is not about you.. it is about US ... and some of us are not like you, do
not agree with you and have a different outlook on this... Please get it
that most people do not have the time to waste on so many e-mails.
There is also the fact that most threads including this one do not stay on
, if you're not clear
on that.
Thanks
Will
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From: Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l@lists.wikimedia.org
Sent: Mon, Nov 2, 2009 3:07 pm
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Recent firing?
Hoi,
It is not about you
I think the community should be and is being treated as a majority
shareholder, even better! Office IT support is a typical thing that the
community is not affected by AT ALL. So I am not surprised no announcement
is being given on foundation-l about this. If any public list would be
relevant, it
- Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Try to remember that the Wikimedia Foundation
is a business...
No it isn't - the Foundation is a charity. The Foundation needs to retain the
confidence of the Wikimedia community in order to achieve its aims, and the
community plays a big role in the
In a message dated 10/31/2009 8:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
where sensationalised rumours get spread because of
a lack of accurate information.
I think it's a little pre-mature to say that it's a sensationalised rumour
speading because of a lack of
2009/10/31 wjhon...@aol.com:
In a message dated 10/31/2009 8:51:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
where sensationalised rumours get spread because of
a lack of accurate information.
I think it's a little pre-mature to say that it's a sensationalised rumour
In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:24:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had
been fired. Resigned by mutual agreement is more likely. I guess
either a) he didn't fit in in the office, b) the job turned out
2009/10/31 wjhon...@aol.com:
In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:24:40 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had
been fired. Resigned by mutual agreement is more likely. I guess
either a) he didn't fit in in
I agree with Lodewijk completely. One of the best reasons for this is
simple human dignity. People come and go from jobs all the time, it is
neither a scandal, nor a shame. Public speculation about such stuff is
offensive and embarassing.
Yes, to community-facing positions. Yes, to
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 10:22 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
And the reason for speculation is that people first found out by rumor
rather than foundation announcement. Basic communication management.
Get stuff out before someone else can put their spin on it.
I have to disagree. The
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you even ask that question, let alone expect an answer? Last
I checked, no Wikimedian also carried the title of majority
shareholder or anything close. You're not entitled to sordid details
of personnel management. Try
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 3:24 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
As I said above, he wouldn't be working a month's notice if he had
been fired.
You correctly qualified that with In my experience people don't
usually the first time.
In any case, the difference between laid off and
Geni, Thomas and MZMcbride suggest that the Foundation should announce
the dismissal of low-impact employees because otherwise the rumor mill
will make up stories. Perhaps you're right that the spread of rumors
is inevitable, but you don't seem to acknowledge your own role in
this. Even so,
2009/11/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
Yeah. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At-will_employment
Here in the US, if a company doesn't mind its unemployment tax rate
going up, they can do pretty much whatever they want.
In the UK, what, if anything, can a company do if they want to
redefine a
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:19 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote:
2009/11/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:08 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com
wrote:
2009/11/1 Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
In the UK, what, if anything, can a company do if they want
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 8:31 PM, Pedro Sanchez pdsanc...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sat, Oct 31, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Gregory Maxwell argues that the Wikimedia Foundation should
voluntarily submit to the type of openness required of government
agencies; I suspect this is
In a message dated 10/31/2009 12:32:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
thomas.dal...@gmail.com writes:
It's possible, but since that would require the WMF to intentionally
mislead the community and there is no evidence to support it, I think
it is unlikely to be the case.
That would be true
Hey all --
Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired. Is this
just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
MZMcBride
pub...@mzmcbride.com
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2009/10/30 MZMcBride pub...@mzmcbride.com:
Hey all --
Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired. Is this
just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
He's still listed on http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff
Where did you hear it?
We don't comment on personnel rumors and speculation and will make
announcements when and where appropriate.
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Erik Möller
Deputy Director, Wikimedia Foundation
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2009/10/30 Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org:
We don't comment on personnel rumors and speculation and will make
announcements when and where appropriate.
So yes then.
Erik this is the wikimedia community you are dealing with. All those
wikipedians are not only rather good at finding things out
Why would you even ask that question, let alone expect an answer? Last
I checked, no Wikimedian also carried the title of majority
shareholder or anything close. You're not entitled to sordid details
of personnel management. Try to remember that the Wikimedia Foundation
is a business, and needs to
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:41 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote:
Why would you even ask that question, let alone expect an answer?
There are lots of people who contribute to this mailing list who
aren't staff members or otherwise encumbered by confidentiality
agreements. Maybe one of them knows
On Fri, Oct 30, 2009 at 5:05 PM, geni geni...@gmail.com wrote:
Announcements when and where appropriate isn't really working out to well
Announcements when or where not appropriate would work out even worse,
though. :)
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2009/10/30 Nathan nawr...@gmail.com:
Why would you even ask that question, let alone expect an answer?
Nothing wrong with taking the direct approach. It's also a fairly
effective way of letting the foundation know they have a potential
issue.
Last
I checked, no Wikimedian also carried the
Hello,
I normally only read this list because I don't see the need to get
really involved into discussion a lot, but while reading this I had the
feeling that I should respond.
As far as I see it there was been a question and it has been answered
with the answer that Erik isn't going to
Evidently it's too late to wonder. The staff page has been updated recently
stating specifically that he is leaving on 30 Nov 2009. Are you now saying
that there's a rumor that that date has been moved up more? The change was
made in the last week on that page.
MZMcBride wrote:
Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired.
Is this just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
Erik just updated the staff template (about half an hour ago).[1] Seems the
rumor is true.
MZMcBride
pub...@mzmcbride.com
[1]
2009/10/30 MZMcBride pub...@mzmcbride.com:
MZMcBride wrote:
Just heard that Steve Kent (Head of Office IT Support) got fired.
Is this just a wild rumor? If not, what's the backstory?
Erik just updated the staff template (about half an hour ago).[1] Seems the
rumor is true.
In my experience
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